Previous in Forum: Drawings for Flanges   Next in Forum: Deration Factor
Close
Close
Close
9 comments
Rate Comments: Nested
Active Contributor

Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 14

Turbine Efficiency

07/21/2011 12:55 AM

For an LPG processing plant design, it includes an LPG Turbine generating power. What is a good efficiency number to use in a HYSYS steady state process simulator? Is 67% to 75% a good number?

Register to Reply
Pathfinder Tags: turbine
Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.
Guru

Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Stoke-on-Trent, UK
Posts: 4497
Good Answers: 137
#1

Re: Turbine Efficiency

07/21/2011 11:43 AM

I don't know what "a HYSYS steady state process simulator" is, but if by efficiency you mean shaft power out divided by heat input from burning the LPG, your figures are much too high. I would expect something more like 25% to 35%, depending on size of turbine (bigger tend to be more efficient) and nature of load (steady, fluctuating etc)

Codey

__________________
Give masochists a fair crack of the whip
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: USA, Florida
Posts: 1595
Good Answers: 125
#2
In reply to #1

Re: Turbine Efficiency

07/21/2011 2:17 PM

Yes, I have heard of breaking the 50% efficiency line with the newest units but they were in the 200+ megawatt range.

__________________
An obstacle is something you see when you take your eyes off the goal.
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA
Posts: 662
Good Answers: 49
#3
In reply to #2

Re: Turbine Efficiency

07/21/2011 11:32 PM

AND they were combined cycle- using waste heat to make steam to drive a turbine parallel to gas turbine. Also- 50% is OK if you can make some very high steam pressures OR use DUAL steam turbines with high and medium pressure inputs.

__________________
NO MATTER HOW WELL YOU HAVE DONE SO FAR, ALWAYS TRY TO BE BETTER TOMORROW.
Register to Reply
Active Contributor

Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 14
#5
In reply to #2

Re: Turbine Efficiency

07/21/2011 11:38 PM

Very grateful for your response. With all the replies I have had, it seems turbine efficiency is always on the low side.

Register to Reply
Active Contributor

Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 14
#4

Re: Turbine Efficiency

07/21/2011 11:36 PM

Thanks for the reply. Appreciate it. seems efficiency is low for turbines compared to compressors.

Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Stoke-on-Trent, UK
Posts: 4497
Good Answers: 137
#6
In reply to #4

Re: Turbine Efficiency

07/22/2011 6:56 AM

That's right, because unlike compressors turbines convert heat into mechanical power. Due to the 2nd law of thermodynamics, even the theoretical maximum efficiency is well below 100%.

__________________
Give masochists a fair crack of the whip
Register to Reply
Active Contributor

Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 14
#7
In reply to #6

Re: Turbine Efficiency

07/22/2011 7:10 AM

thanks

Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Piney Flats, Tennessee
Posts: 1740
Good Answers: 23
#8

Re: Turbine Efficiency

07/22/2011 7:29 AM

Check out the Power Generators made by Capstand Corporation.

__________________
If you never do anything you never have problems.
Register to Reply
Power-User

Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Tulsa, OK
Posts: 184
Good Answers: 2
#9

Re: Turbine Efficiency

07/22/2011 9:02 AM

For HYSIS simulations, you need to use the factor given by the manufacturer or the turbine, do not use arbitrary percentages, since they will give an inherent calculation errors.

Most turbine manufacturers will give you their factors if you are serious about buying their equipment.

Register to Reply
Register to Reply 9 comments
Copy to Clipboard

Users who posted comments:

Codemaster (2); dadw5boys (1); energygod (1); jamil ghani (3); vargaalex (1); WJMFIRE (1)

Previous in Forum: Drawings for Flanges   Next in Forum: Deration Factor

Advertisement