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DC Shunt Motor Speed Control

07/30/2011 3:34 AM

We are commissioning a DC Shunt motor used for DC Jacking Oil Pump in a Steam Turbine application. Its field wdg resistance(as measured) is 51.6 ohms. As per design its power supply is from a 415 V MCC with 42 ohms,100W variable rheostat to control the speed(Rated=1500 rpm). Initially when the pump was started and the resistance is applied, rpm increased but burning smell came out from the resistance. Suspecting lower wattage, we replaced it by a 42 ohms,300 W resistance. Now there is no burning smell and rated rpm is also obtained. But the rpm starts increasing with time at fixed position of the rheostat, which is not desirable. Pl suggest a solution.

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Re: DC Shunt Motor Speed Control

07/30/2011 4:17 AM

The likely reason for the speed increase is that the field resistance increases as the field heats up. This reduces the field current, which weakens the field - causing speed increase [if the armature voltage remains constant]. This is normal behaviour for a DC motor and usually the designer has allowed for the expected effect and the pump and motor are not troubled by the expected speed increase. This seems likely, because the field obviously has a ballast resistor which should not increase as the motor warms up - which reduces the effect of field resistance increase.

But, since you have not specified..

  1. Rated field voltage? And armature voltage?
  2. Supply voltages for armature and field?
  3. If armature or field voltages are constant [not contributing to speed change]?
  4. Time for which you run motor without stopping?
  5. If its load is rated current value or more/less than that?
  6. If motor is continuous rated or a specified time?
  7. How much speed increase you are seeing?

-- it is difficult to know what is happening - or if it matters. A jacking pump would not usually need to run for very long - perhaps you have run a long time for test, creating more speed (field temperature rise) than realistic.

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07/31/2011 6:26 AM

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Re: DC Shunt Motor Speed Control

07/30/2011 12:08 PM

See post #1.

If my calculations are correct, your rheostat should probably be rated => 825 Watts. The first one burned up and the 300 Watt unit is probably overheating. That would explain the speed drift.

I would prefer to use a switch mode device to PWM (Pulse-Width-Modulate) the field current. This would provide a more stable adjustment. Once you have electronic control of the field current, it is fairly easy to add a feedback loop which can continuously maintain a precise motor speed (RPM).

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07/30/2011 10:56 PM

See post #1.

A rheostat is fine for some control. If you want better, electronic control is not avoidable. It can be fully electronic, handling the full kilowatt required, as a fully professional setup. Or, you can compromise, and for a 20% regulation range, you can get away with a 200 Watts capable one WITH the rheostat. Handling this one some skill is required.

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07/31/2011 12:06 AM

Google of "shunt motor controller" shows mostly 12 to 48VDC shunt controllers so I see your problem.

If you need more control at that voltage and have limited knowledge, you might consider a 1HP AC motor with an inverter. I found this GS2 very easy to install and cost competitive. They also have very cost competitive 3ph motors. I would recommend a .5 to 1hp motor. You will be able to dial in the speed of operation and it will be quite stable.

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Re: DC Shunt Motor Speed Control

07/31/2011 2:28 AM

The details of the motor is given below.

Make: Crompton Greaves.

Armature Voitage: 220 V DC

Armature Current: 95 A

Field Viltage: 220 V DC

Field Current: 3.0 A

KW: 18.5

Duty:S1

Insulation: H

RPM:1500

RPM of the pump increased from 1355 to 1515 rpm in 1 hr 45 mins in the last case.

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07/31/2011 6:51 AM

Were is the 415V supply mentioned in the original post used?

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07/31/2011 12:15 PM

A 3Amp field current @22o V dc = 73 Ohm

With a 42 Ohm series resistor minimum current = 1.9 Amp

The wattage at this current for the 42 Ohm resistor=152.6 watts.

But approaching maximum current[ as the field resistor Ohms are decreased] of 3 Amps , the resistor will see an increase in watts of up to 660 watts at its lowest setting, Therefore the resistor windings should be of the stepped type to handle the increased wattage or the whole resistor should be made to handle 660 Watts which would be large and expensive compared to a stepped one.

Hence overheating at intermediate positions resulting in an increase in resistance and a speed increase. A 300 watt resistor is no good.

Though I don't know what this has to do with original 415 V ac ??

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07/31/2011 2:43 PM

Thanks for data - as you can see from posts by MJB1962823, you have caused folk wasted effort by writing 415V when 220V DC applies!

  1. Note that "Duty S1" means continuous rated. As a "rule of thumb", motor temperature would stop rising and reach steady operation after about 3 hours at rated current, for a continuous rated motor.
  2. So your motor was probably still warming-up after 1 h 45 min.
  3. But one cannot tell, because you have not written the value of actual motor armature current during your test!
  4. Since the insulation class is "H" the temperature rise [as measured by the winding resistance change cold to hot] would be 125 Celsius maximum for field and armature windings. In the absence of any other value on rating plate, rated ambient would be 40 Celsius and up to 1000 metres above sea level, for rated shaft power and armature current.
  5. The rated field voltage is 220 and the rated speed is 1500 rev/min and you seem to want 1500 rev/min. So why do you need any resistance added to the field??
  6. Does the pump data sheet reveal anything about speed requirements?
  7. You have not written the actual setting of "42 ohm" field circuit resistor. What was it??
  8. While other posts have questioned adequacy of 300 watt resistor for field I feel it is OK, so I withhold judgment.
  9. You have not told us the actual supply voltage - do not presume it is, or has to be, exactly what is written on the motor. In many cases, a "220 volt supply" is a "220 volt battery" (110 lead-acid cells?). A battery is usually permanently on charge and probably has a charger of over 100 Amp capacity (in this case). Consequently, unless you turned-off charger for test, you will get the float voltage of 250 volts or so delivered to the motor.

Regarding item 6 above, please note that - if you mean "an open resistance wire spiral with a sliding contact" when you talk of "42 ohm resistor" - these resistors come, in my experience in two materials, NiCr (which hardly changes resistance between ambient and red hot) and a cheaper iron alloy (with which resistance increases about 30% between cold and maximum rated temperature). So measure field current and resistor voltage - do not assume resistance is "textbook" constant. Remember that the real rating of variable resistors is by current - 300 watts would apply at 42 ohm setting and stay at 2.7 amps at lower resistance.

Please understand that I have had to worry about turbine lubricating oil pumps as a designer and I think your concern about getting an exact speed all the time is unnecessary [DC motor designs usually have to cope with variable speed and it is likely the motor you have could run up to 3000 rev/min and down to 1000 rev/min with adjustment to rated current]. Your reported range of 1355 to 1515 rev/min seems good to me [in the absence of any information about actual armature current and any requirements for operating time during start-up and shut-down of turbine].

Have you examined the control logic to see when and for how long this motor/pump will run?? Is your test running time of 1.75 hours consistent with actual requirements?

The critical task for a DC pump may be during a "black" rundown of the turbine [powered from battery, without AC power] during which it only has to give enough flow to stop bearing overheating and damage - meeting that may mean continuing flow after the turbine is stationary (due to heat soak from the hot turbine disc). The "jacking" task may just part of its duty.

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Re: DC Shunt Motor Speed Control

08/01/2011 3:56 PM

RPM:1500

RPM of the pump increased from 1355 to 1515 rpm in 1 hr 45 mins in the last case.

I'll start by saying I'm not an EE and I'll leave all the electrical advice to the guru's, but based on my experience and the above it sounds like you were starting up the pump with cold oil. I've seen this same speed change happen not because of anything electrical, but because the oil went from 70F to 120F in that time. (Less viscous oil = less piping headloss = less backpressure on the pump = pump speeds up)

I haven't any idea as to the answer to the problem, but thought I'd throw that out there for some consideration by the gurus. Best of luck.

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08/02/2011 5:19 AM

You are absolutely right. We have not been told if the set is cold and stopped or hot and running when the motor was running.

Also, there being a field winding ballast resistor, which turns out to be overheating makes one wonder if someone has tried to make a modification (probably not needed!) without proper knowledge.

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