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Synchronous Motor Load

08/01/2011 7:16 AM

A synchronous motor connected to AC system is running with over
excitation in order to supply reactive power to the line ( as a
synchronous condenser) While supplying reactive power to the line
whether the synchronous motor will take active power from the line if it is on load or no load. While supplying reactive power to the line whether it can be loaded?

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Re: Synchronous Motor Load

08/01/2011 9:50 AM

Yes, yes... More clarity and detail in the question will get more clarity and detail in the answer...

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Re: Synchronous Motor Load

08/01/2011 12:14 PM

Homework?

Answer is given by RC (correct) now explain why

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Re: Synchronous Motor Load

08/02/2011 12:50 AM

Hi

For operating syn motor as a syn condenser, the necessary condition is to make the motor over excited under no load. At this condition s only we can expect the motor to operate as a capacitor, delivering reactive power for the system, the amount of reactive power supplied depends on the amount of excitation given to the motor. We can obtain both leading and lagging reactive power.

So the syn motor must be with no load for making it syn condenser.

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08/02/2011 1:04 AM

The question is while operating synchronous motor as synchronous condenser at no load to supply reactive power to the line, whether the motor will take active power to rotate the rotor either from the line or from the DC source

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08/02/2011 1:24 AM

A good paper (perhaps too advanced?), the pdf shown first on the google search result page.

Here

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Re: Synchronous Motor Load

08/02/2011 1:53 AM

The necessary excitation of a sync motor depends on the mechanical load. If a free-running sync motor runs with over excitation it will deliver reactive power. If you increase the mechanical load, the load angle of the rotor will grow and this will eliminate the excess excitation. If you want the keep the capacitive power factor you have to increase the excitation again. Of course the saturation of the iron is a hard limit.

Hungarian railways used to use electric locos with synchronous phase converter and the schedule contained not only the stops and the times but the expected power factor too. The driver was responsible to deliver it. Due to the necessary excitation depended on the actual load of the loco there was a special control system named "Watt-relay" which maintained the power factor set by the driver.

The large round meter on the dashboard is the cosine phi meter.

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08/02/2011 11:34 AM

Yes, motor will draw active power from the line to supply its own electrical and mechanical losses. If the excitation is taken from the exciter mounted from the same shaft, then excitation power will also be taken from the line. This is irrespective of load condition of the motor (at a load or no load).

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08/03/2011 12:04 PM

As Qqberci said, it can be done but only to the limits of saturation of the rotor iron. So as your load increases, more and more of that capacity gets consumed in exciting the rotor field for the load, leaving less head room for over excitation as a synchronous condenser.

I have seen this done in two facilities (foundries) with the need for large air compressors because the peak loading on an air compressor can be predictably determined and the extra capacity can be built-in to allow them to function as synchronous condensers for the rest of the plant.

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08/03/2011 12:08 PM

I'm starving for a GA... :-)))

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08/04/2011 2:49 PM

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