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Where the Antiprotons Roam

08/04/2011 3:15 PM

I came across a cool article in the MIT technology review. Apparently the Earth has an Antiproton Radiation Belt. This Anitproton belt has been created by cosmic ray collisions with nuclei in Earth's upper atmosphere. From the article:

Astronomers long ago realised that these collisions must produce antiprotons, just as they do in particle accelerators on Earth. But this raises an interesting question: what happens to the antiprotons after they are created?

Clearly, many of these antiparticles must be annihilated when they meet particles of ordinary matter. But some astronomers always suspected that the remaining antiprotons must become trapped by the Earth's magnetic field, forming an antiproton radiation belt.

Now astrophysicists say they've finally discovered this long-fabled belt of antiprotons.

In 2006, these guys launched a spacecraft called PAMELA into low Earth orbit, specifically to look for antiprotons in cosmic rays.

But, like most spacecraft in low Earth orbit, PAMELA must pass daily through the South Atlantic Anomaly, a region where the Van Allen Radiation Belts come closest to the Earth's surface. It's here that energetic particles tend to become trapped. So if any antiprotons are caught up in the mix, that's where PAMELA ought to find them.

Now the PAMELA team has analysed the 850 days of data, looking only at the times when the spacecraft was in the South Atlantic Anomaly (about 1.7 per cent of this time).

Lo and behold, these guys found 28 antiprotons. That's about three orders of magnitude more than you'd expect to find in the solar wind, proving that the particles really are trapped and stored in this belt.

This constitutes "the most abundant source of antiprotons near the Earth", say the PAMELA team.

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08/04/2011 10:45 PM

Ah, yes, the same place where the antilope play. [Cue "Home on the Range"]

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08/06/2011 2:26 PM

For some reason your comment reminded me of the South Park episode where they sent a Whale "to his home" on the moon. Except instead of a whale I was picturing Antilope floating in orbit.

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08/04/2011 10:54 PM

Interesting article Roger. How is that they know there are 28 anti-protons?

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08/04/2011 11:22 PM

I'm sorry, I don't have much time to reply, but here is a link that has the answers and I can discuss it tomorrow if you like. It's pretty cool.

http://pamela.physik.uni-siegen.de/pamela/antiproton.html

Click on "Instrumentation" on the left of the page to get to an overview and some details.

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08/05/2011 4:54 AM

Interesting reading.

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08/06/2011 11:40 AM

Thanks for the link Roger. It's one of the most informative links I have see, especially the instrumentation section. There is some confusing terminology (maybe from the Russians?). Example:

"Since neutrons are produced only by hadronic interactions, the neutron yield is 10÷20 times larger in an hadronic cascade than in an electromagnetic one."

Bolding is mine. Surely they didn't mean to say the yeild is 1/2 times larger - that doesn't make sense. I can only conclude they meant 10 to 20 larger. Is that your take?

I'm having a terrible time posting this. Strange characters appearing, reverse capitalization, etc. Last night's post all disappeared with Google Chrome. Today I am using Internet Explorer. Both had a different menu when I right clicked the mouse. Is that from CR4? I am going to quit while I'm ahead.

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08/06/2011 2:19 PM

You Wrote:"I can only conclude they meant 10 to 20 larger. Is that your take?"

Yeah, I saw it again when they wrote "Proton at energies up to 1011 ÷ 1013 eV" which I'm reading as 1011 to 1013 eV. I've never seen that before though, it could be a rendering error on the website or it could be as you say a Russian notation, I'm not sure.

I recommend checking out some papers found as a pdf on this webpage:

http://pamela.physik.uni-siegen.de/pamela/antiproton.html

The first two papers really do a nice job explaining how Pamela works (they are from 2003) and the notation is more familiar. I think only the first two papers are needed to get a pretty good idea of what's going on. I'm sorry I can't post the infomation directly, or a link to them directly, but they are zip files that contain pdfs and must be downloaded to be viewed.

If you read the papers and have any questions, please ask me, I'm eager to discuss this stuff, it's very interesting.

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08/06/2011 6:46 PM

I haven't got a lot of time to read, but back to the original question. I take it from the graph on that link that it has something to do with kinetic energy. But how can that be? If the 28 antiprotons are trapped, then they are not colliding with matter - hence not getting changed to energy.

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08/06/2011 7:35 PM

Antiprotons have the same mass as protons, but are negatively charged instead of postively charged. As they pass through a magnetic field they curve in the opposite direction as a positively charged proton would and much more slowly than the less massive electron would.

The satellite has a magnetic spectrometer which uses a magnetic field to figure out what the particle is (electron, proton, antiproton). The device had 28 detections of signals that correspond to what has to be an antiproton based on curvature of path in the magnetic field.

The second paper (2003) in the "Papers" section of that website I provided earlier has a diagram of the detector. You don't need to read the paper, the diagram alone may be very helpful in understanding.

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08/07/2011 5:19 PM

The satellite has a magnetic spectrometer which uses a magnetic field to figure out what the particle is (electron, proton, antiproton). The device had 28 detections of signals that correspond to what has to be an antiproton based on curvature of path in the magnetic field.

OK, that makes sense. In your OP:

Clearly, many of these antiparticles must be annihilated when they meet particles of ordinary matter. But some astronomers always suspected that the remaining antiprotons must become trapped by the Earth's magnetic field, forming an antiproton radiation belt.

This was a little confusing. The antiprotons wouldn't be emitting any radiation electromagnetic waves, would they? OK, maybe they are talking about magnetic flux. If the particles are trapped by the earth's magnetic field, they are probably traveling in circles. They have a charge and motion ... The point is, I was thinking they were trying to measure the whole belt at once by picking up some signals. Now I'm getting that Pamela encountered the particles one at a time during the 585 days of it's journey.

The second paper (2003) in the "Papers" section of that website I provided earlier has a diagram of the detector.

Thanks. I have saved that in my personal files for later. The link you provided had good descriptions of the instruments already.

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08/04/2011 10:56 PM

What do these people have against protons?

I haven't read the article but I can sense discrimination a mile off.

I propose a PRO proton institute where we can work to overcome societies entrenched Antiproton bias.

All donations will be gratefully received.

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08/05/2011 3:52 AM

......still having a problem with antipasti here......

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08/08/2011 12:17 PM

There once was a man named Roger Pink

Who asked us all "What do you think…

"Antiscience!" he proclaimed,

"Antiprotons!" he exclaimed,

But I've never heard him say "AntiBlink".

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08/08/2011 12:39 PM

Should I feign to be ashamed?
Or ruefully subdued?
Cause the things I say are often misconstrued?
I can't help if others flounder,
When I set myself a' ponder,
And in anger they insist that I am rude.

So please don't be a stalker,
Or some mad middling mocker,
If you don't like what I say just unsubscribe.
After all this isn't mandatory
No need to be inflammatory
It makes the Doorman look a knocker in disguise.

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08/08/2011 1:15 PM

Ah, as is always the danger in such a comment, I did not come across well.

Roger, I've never found you to be rude. Abrupt, but not rude.

I, like many here, watched the 'Ink' discussions. The two of you had quite a rub, but I never thought you were unfair.

I don't intend my comment to be mocking or inflammatory. If it seems so, I do apologize.

You have a pretty good rhyme, for only a few minutes to compose.

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08/08/2011 1:22 PM

Well then, can we could just call this friendly misfire and forget about it?

(I admit I'm abrupt, and I'm sorry I called you a knocker)

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08/08/2011 2:14 PM

Roger, I would rather somebody speak up if there is a problem with something I have written. It is better to clarify misunderstandings than let them fester. That is how many discussions at CR4 go WAY off track. Thank you for being frank, and thank you for your understanding on this matter.

Just what is a knocker? If it is what I think it is, you are not the first guy to opine this. It happens sometimes. No hard feelings, it's all good.

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08/08/2011 2:32 PM

I agree, so as far as I'm concerned, we're all good.

You asked "Just what is a knocker?"

Ummm....hmmmm...please keep in mind at the time I thought you were agreeing with all the unpleasant things Blink had said about me....sooooooo...the knocker has three meanings. The obvious is the knocker on a door:

The other meanings are someone who unfairly criticizes and um a boob (an idiot).

I am sorry about that.

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