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Buying a Miller Syncrowave, Pros, Cons and Advice?

08/11/2011 7:37 PM

I'm shopping for a used TIG welder, preferably a Miller Synchrowave 200. The duty cycle is not very high so I'll not likely get a cooler.

I intend to weld aluminum, mostly 6061-T6. And occasional mild steel, up to 1/4" thick but mostly thinner.

Up until now most of the welding I have done has been with TIG and since I am comfortable with that method, I lean in that direction.

Others have aluminum wire feeds and like MIG but others still tell me that aluminum is too soft to feed and that MIG with aluminum is problematic. The MIG wire feed for aluminum is an expensive option.

Any experienced users of both who can give a novice welder the pros and cons?

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08/11/2011 7:50 PM

You can't get any better for Aluminum & Stainless than a TIG, IMHO.

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08/11/2011 11:32 PM

About 15 years ago I convinced the boss to replace the older stick welder with a TIG. We bought a Miller Syncrowave (250 I think) It had the flexibility to switch from aluminum to stainless steel to plain steel in just a few min. It allowed an average welder, like me to turn out some very professional looking welds. I have not turned it on in 5 years now. I had looked at many choices before we bought this. I still think it is the top choice as far as welder types go. If you can swing the cost, I think you will like it. Good luck.

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08/11/2011 11:54 PM

GA to both. It sounds as though you will be welding mostly thin pieces, where TIG works well. Though faster, MIG (wire feed) is better suited to thicker pieces. There is no particular problem feeding aluminum wire, so long as the contact tube is kept clean (or replaced periodically as a consumable).

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08/13/2011 4:03 AM

If appearance matters, it's easier to get a nice-looking weld with TIG than with MIG. For really big welds, MIG and fluxcore are much faster.

Since I am not a journeyman, for sheet metal I really prefer gas.

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08/12/2011 4:58 AM

I agree in the main with the advice above - assuming this is 'craft based' work by one operator with the 'gas feel' that goes with TIG.

Miller, I regard as the top production welder, especially for thin material - they are 'stable' without peer.

However, for over say an eighth in mild steel MIG is the way to go.

MIG for aluminium is fine, but 200 amps won't do much and the wire is generally thicker, so thin material is a real balancing act of feed, speed, amps and operator skill. TIG is the better choice until around 3/16"

The best MIG aluminium wire feed solution is a handset feed motor system, which overcomes 'thicker wire' so this 'balancing act' - expensive, hence I guess your comment on cost. Also heavy over a working day.

On the 'not so expensive' side; there are Teflon liners for MIG's using welder driven wire feeds, which are basically mandatory for aluminium wire. You will have down time with Al. But, Teflon liners also have advantages with thinner steel and stainless wire over the; 'standard' MIG 'steel spring wire guide'.

So; if doing a lot, I would seriously consider the Miller TIG for thin and a 'fair quality' MIG for the mild steel.

However; you could do it all with a good quality 350 amp MIG with handset wire feed for aluminium. And if you like; a spare 'standard handset' for steel.

But; having 'horses for courses', you also save a lot of time, wire, tip and gas flush/changing, finding settings.

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08/12/2011 5:21 AM

Thanks to all who responded!

The second choice was a Lincoln but as good a reputation as they have, the Miller seems to have a lot more favorable agreement, even though it costs more.

On the basis of the comments, I'll stay with TIG and bump the amperage up some to 300. The wallet will take a bigger hit but in the long run the machine won't work as hard and the duty cycle might be extended some.

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08/12/2011 6:54 AM

A lot of the choice depends on what you are welding. How much of it you weld. A the same capacity a MIG is about half the cost. If this is for a home shop and doesn't get used much I would go with what you are comfortable with.

If production is the idea the MIG. Unless you producing pressure vessels that see high pressures the TIG would be a better choice.

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08/12/2011 1:41 PM

First let me say that I am not an expert welder. But I thought that when using a MIG that the gas used would vary with the material used. While as the TIG only uses straight argon. I am sure some one here will have a more experienced advice on the subject.

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08/12/2011 10:18 PM

Now you tell me this! Why didn't you tell me this when the welder was new?

With MIG, the gases are more material specific. TIG seems to accept argon for everything common.

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08/12/2011 10:42 PM

Sorry

Actually I did post a more complete version years ago, (production oriented) but probably your welder is older than that too.

But yes you can 'craft' (fudge) most anything non ferrous with TIG/argon, but the OP is talking 'mostly aluminium' and the best blend for that might also do the ferrous end.

On the other hand I don't know what American blends might or might not exist. I'm just assuming either BOC operate there, or there are equivalents by somebody.

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08/13/2011 4:12 AM

Don't forget helium. Although straight argon is most common, helium-argon mixtures and a variety of other shielding gases can be used, depending on the application.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_tungsten_arc_welding#Shielding_gas

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