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Choosing Line Size & Pump Head

08/18/2011 3:39 AM

Dear sir,

Regarding liquid (48% caustic solution) line size & pump head selection, we have total 2 users one with cons.flow normal: 1.0 m3/hr, peak :12 m3/hr & pressure required: gravity , length : 175m. and another user with flow normal : 7.0 m3/hr & peak :13.0 m3/hr & pressure required : 4.0 barg , length - 180m. Pump caapcity chosen 15 m3/hr.

In this case how to choose line size & pump head.

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Re: choosing line size & pump head

08/18/2011 3:43 AM

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Re: choosing line size & pump head

08/18/2011 3:51 AM

Simple. Hire a Process Engineer.

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Re: choosing line size & pump head

08/18/2011 5:05 AM

It's simple. Pump capacity chosen is right. Select the pipe size for second user (pressure required :4.0 barg) taking piping velocity of 2 to 2.5 m/s for peak requirement of 13.0 m3/hr. Select nearby standard pipe size or next higher size (may be 2" for this case). Calculate pressure drop for 180 m length pipe and pipe fittings, valves etc. Select pump discharge head 110% of the sum of following:

1) 4.0 barg required by the second user

2) Calculated pressure drop for 180 m length pipe and pipe fittings, valves etc. for the selected pipe size at maximum velocity (at 15 m3/hr).

3) Total Head difference due to altitude (from suction to pump + pump to second user).

Make sure to use same unit for all calculations. First user can be neglected for calculation. Take a Branch off pipe (may be 1/2" or 1" size) at nearest point from the pipe to second user. Let this line feed to a tank near first user. First user should consume from this tank because pressure required is only gravity. Float valve can be used to protect from overflow. This tank is to take care peak requirement. Tank size will depend on length of peak requirement.

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08/18/2011 5:40 AM

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08/18/2011 11:42 AM

Why not a GiveAway....

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08/18/2011 7:54 AM

sir,

Taking tapping from second user with increased line size of 4" can give velocity of 0.4 m/sec. does this work ? since reducing line size is adding head requirement for pump.

Secondly , putting two pumps one catering to first user & another catering to second user.

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08/18/2011 11:48 AM

If you want to spend more with higher size piping, it's OK, less pressure loss. Velocity 2.5 m/s is maximum, lower are better. As the pressure requirement of two consumers are different, so putting two separate pump is also not a bad idea.

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08/18/2011 8:47 AM

Play with P=ρgQH (H= pressure head+velocity head+static head+Head loss) & some moody diagram

I guess, have some reference book on you, try to read.

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Re: Choosing Line Size & Pump Head

08/18/2011 11:49 PM

Dear Bhalchandra

Since caustic is corrosive, the recommended maximum velocity is 1.5 m/s. In order to cater for 12 or 13 m3/h, 2.5" is OK. For common header, either 3" or 3.5" is acceptable to cater for simultaneous peak demand of 25 m3/h.

Pressure of pump = 1.15(4 barg + line pressure drop + flow control valve pressure drop + differential elevation head).

Do the same for the first consumer with pressure = 0 barg. Select whichever is higher. Most likely, the 2nd consumer pressure requirement is greater.

Control valve pressure drop normally 20-30% of line drop.

Pipe arrangement - Pump into common header (3") and branch off to the respective consumers with 2.5' line. Flow control valve for 2nd consumer and probably level control valve for the first consumer for the gravity flow tank.

Two options for pump capacity:

1. Single pump - need to size for worst case scenario where peak demand is simultaneous (i.e 25 m3/h). 15 m3/h may not be inadequate capacity.

2. Two pumps (one standby) - this is common practice. 2 x 15 m3/h pumps each is adequate.

If I were you, I will choose the 2nd option.

Hope the above helps.

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Re: Choosing Line Size & Pump Head

08/19/2011 10:23 AM

bhalchandra

If you need to ask sizing questions like this you do need a good process or piping and mechanical engineers to design this, else you can overlook design constraints and your back pocket design may backfire and cause an accident with injuries.

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