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Queries Regarding Concepts of Earthing

08/24/2011 2:06 PM

Hi,

Before posting my questions I would like to admit that my understanding regarding earthing may not be very solid but i understand that it is a very critical aspect of EE and vital for understanding protective systems. That's why these queries may be quite basic for some but i need to clear my concepts.

Q.1) Referring to two figures below, what is the difference between the two ways in which the Neutral is connected/taken from the supply/source?

In Fig. 1 the Neutral (brown) is taken from the Star point of the Y connection, whereas in Fig. 2 the Neutral is taken from the cable or conductor which earths or connects the Star point of the Y connection to the ground. What difference does these two type of connections make?

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Q.2) I know there are several types of Earthing System - TT, IT, TN-S, TN-C and TN-S-C but the detail following these type of earthing systems that i've referred to in various internet literature describe the system for only one load. I don't understand how can earthing system of a whole plant can be determined that contains multiple of load.

As in Fig. 3 below (single line diagram of a typical plant), there are several motors & other load connected to the 400V bus while the neutral is taken from the conductor that earths the Star point of Y type secondary as in Fig. 2. What is the earthing system of this plant? How do we determine that?

Q.3) Suppose an earth fault occurs (Phase-to-Gnd) downstream of T1 (thru the MCC outer covering or thru the motor's outer body), the fault current 'If' travels to Gnd and then returns thru the other Gnd path provided by T1 at position 'A' and then to the Y point of T1 from where the CT senses the fault current and energizes the no.64 relay (64 = IDMT EFR) which operates the HT breaker. Right?

I ask why doesn't the fault current travels thru point 'B' at T2 or for that matter thru point 'C' or the frame earth of the generator's outer body. What makes it travel thru 'A' only. Isn't it all the same underneath the surface of the earth? soil and sand?

What determines from where the fault current should resurface?

In most of the text books, earthing is not covered or at best not discussed as deeply. Can anyone refer any book or any other thing that completely discusses earthing from the basics and/or in simple terms? I've got the BS7671:2008 Requirements for Electrical Installations IEE Wiring Regulations 17th Ed but its sooo over my head

I would be v gr8ful to get answers to these. Thanx!

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Re: Queries Regarding Concepts of Earthing

08/24/2011 6:49 PM

Code requirements (in the US, anyway) mandate the neutral and ground points in distribution transformers. In figure 2 your fault path is short of the tranformer core reducing the effectiveness of your overcurrent devices.

The various types of earthing arrangements are there for the convenience of the user depending on the effects on their application.

This wiki article explains it well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthing_system

In a *typical plant* there will likely be several layers of distribution transformers at which point(s) the earthing scheme(s) may vary dependent on the loads serviced.

Earth/ground for a particular device is directly related the power which services it. Electricity takes the path of least resistance. Parallel paths which result from a fault can and do happen, and stray voltage can be found in seemingly non-associated equipment as a result.

Don't think of energy/power/voltage as a bucket dumping like water. If stray energy finds it way to ground it wants to find it's source. It doesn't go full strength to every available ground in the system.

All of this is relies heavily on having the equipment connected correctly from the get-go.

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Re: Queries Regarding Concepts of Earthing

08/25/2011 1:26 AM

have you seen these . . .

http://www2.schneider-electric.com/documents/technical-publications/en/shared/electrical-engineering/dependability-availability-safety/low-voltage-minus-1kv/ect172.pdf

http://www.designers.schneider-electric.ru/Attachments/ed/ct/earthing_systems_evolution_worldwide.pdf

http://www2.schneider-electric.com/documents/designers/top-downloads/090197c6800bcbde_.pdf

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Re: Queries Regarding Concepts of Earthing

08/25/2011 2:08 AM
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08/25/2011 3:57 PM

Regarding question 3. The reason the current flows through point A, is that it is trying to get back to the source of the current. Electrical current only travels in complete paths. The source of the voltage trying to push the current is T1. Current starting there can only flow through paths that connect back to T1. Tying one side of every transformer to the earth is not relevant, if the current starts in T1 it has to end in T1.

Your diagram doesn't show point B being tied to the common neutral. If it is, then an alternate path for the current would be: through the earth to point B, through the common neutral to T1 bypassing point A. However that current will still flow through CT1800/SA giving you the over current protection. This alternate path may,or not, be a lower resistance than the path through point A. With parallel paths, current will flow through all available paths. The amount of current in each path, will be determined by the relative resistances. Think of this example, if you have two lamps connected to one outlet, one of them with a 100W lamp, the other one a 10W lamp. The total current from the outlet will be the sum of the current through the two lamps, however the current through the 100W lamp will be 10 times as much as the current through the 10W lamp.

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Re: Queries Regarding Concepts of Earthing

08/26/2011 5:22 AM

Actually point B is tied to common neutral - i forgot to draw! and i understand your alternate path theory. But what if its not connected to common neutral as shown. Would fault current take that path then?

Thanks all I'll read those pdf's now.

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08/26/2011 10:08 AM

If there is no connection between point B and the common neutral, then there is no path for the current to flow through.

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