Previous in Forum: Solar Water Heater   Next in Forum: Minimum Shell thickness calculation for Tank
Close
Close
Close
12 comments
Rate Comments: Nested
Anonymous Poster #1

Water Storage Tank Inspection and Repair

08/29/2011 9:33 PM

Hello, I need some guidance for the inspection and repair of our Process Water Storage Tank. Its CS, 9500mm Diameter and 9000mm high and the annular ring is all rotten. I am preparing the plan to replace the base plate, considering the situation of annular plate. Can some body tell me how many manhours will be required to complete this job ASAP? According to drawing, the base plate (6mm) is lap welded with 44meter of 6 lap weld, I am trying to understand if that is including annular plate? I have all the drawings of cross joint plate lap, all I need some guidance on Annular ring (If I need to order it separately) and duration of this repair.

Thanks

Reply
Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.

"Almost" Good Answers:

Check out these comments that don't yet have enough votes to be "official" good answers and, if you agree with them, vote them!
Guru
Technical Fields - Technical Writing - New Member Engineering Fields - Piping Design Engineering - New Member

Join Date: May 2009
Location: Richland, WA, USA
Posts: 21017
Good Answers: 795
#1

Re: Water Storage Tank Inspection and Repair

08/29/2011 10:29 PM

I don't quite understand this description. The tank circumference is just under 30m, which likely would be fillet welded to the base plate. Where is the annular ring? Inside or outside the cylinder? Top or some intermediate position? If welded continuously, that too would be just under 30m of weld.

As to man-hours, consider this: If one man can dig a post hole in 60 seconds, how long will it take 60 men to dig a post hole? (Courtesy Ambrose Bierce)

__________________
In vino veritas; in cervisia carmen; in aqua E. coli.
Reply
Commentator

Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 55
#2
In reply to #1

Re: Water Storage Tank Inspection and Repair

08/29/2011 10:46 PM

Outer Annular ring. Haven't inspected the internals yet but as anular ring is all gone, so we can assume the situation inside.

Reply
Guru
Technical Fields - Technical Writing - New Member Engineering Fields - Piping Design Engineering - New Member

Join Date: May 2009
Location: Richland, WA, USA
Posts: 21017
Good Answers: 795
#3
In reply to #2

Re: Water Storage Tank Inspection and Repair

08/29/2011 11:05 PM

Hmm? Is there some source of external corrosion? If the base plate projects outside the cylinder, what is the condition of the base plate, so far as you can see?

__________________
In vino veritas; in cervisia carmen; in aqua E. coli.
Reply
Anonymous Poster #1
#5
In reply to #3

Re: Water Storage Tank Inspection and Repair

08/29/2011 11:09 PM

That's what I'm trying to figure out. During next shut, we'll go in with full preparation of whole base plate replacement, if required so we need to have a contingency plan. Also, do we cut the annular ring at the corner of tank shell as I dont wana change the height of tank? I saw somewhere a suggestion to start cutting tank lower shell 1 meter from the base. Is it necessary?

Reply
Guru
Australia - Member - New Member

Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Australia
Posts: 2181
Good Answers: 255
#4

Re: Water Storage Tank Inspection and Repair

08/29/2011 11:06 PM

That's a large and potentially dangerous tanks and you should be consulting specialists for advice specific to the actual tank that you have.

What counry are you in??

In Australia there are a couple of contractors who specialise in tank inspections (Even for potable water while the tank is still full) and they give good condition assessment details. A tank that size would take them less than a day on site to inspect the inside and outside, and even to remove sediment from the tank floor using the available scour lines or else a syphon over the top edge.

Wherever you are, there should be similar services available.

From your description, the tank is in very poor external condition but you do not know the internal situation. If there is sediment and it has excluded oxygen from getting to the metal, you might find that the floor is in better condition than you suspect.

__________________
Just an Engineer from the land down under.
Reply
Guru
United Kingdom - Member - Indeterminate Engineering Fields - Control Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: In the bothy, 7 chains down the line from Dodman's Lane level crossing, in the nation formerly known as Great Britain. Kettle's on.
Posts: 32175
Good Answers: 839
#6

Re: Water Storage Tank Inspection and Repair

08/30/2011 5:03 AM

The best advice might turn out to be to scrap it and replace it with a plastic one.

__________________
"Did you get my e-mail?" - "The biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place" - George Bernard Shaw, 1856
Reply
Associate

Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: mumbai, maharashtra, india
Posts: 45
Good Answers: 3
#7

Re: Water Storage Tank Inspection and Repair

08/30/2011 3:06 PM

First of all do thickness testing of the shell plate of the tank. If the thickness is found OK with respect to the minimum required thicknesses, then you should not worry about internal/internal parts corrosion. You can plan for bottom plate replacement. If not then plan for replacement of whole tank (CS or plastic as suggested earlier) If the shell thickness is found OK and you plan for the replacement of the bottom plate, replace the bottom plate with the annular plate (if i assume you are talking of the bottom annular plate that is outside of the shell). You are not required to procure the annular plate separately as that can be fabricated along with the bottom plate/ as a part of bottom plate. Refer the drawing you have to understand the bottom plate layout. As for manpower nobody can tell you the time required as there is very little idea of scope of work/resources/competency/conditions available/inspection requirements. We had replaced the bottom plate of 6m dia. CS tank in around one month. This might give you some idea. Also please check the condition of the bottom plate (thickness) whenever the tank is available for internal inspection. If the plate is OK then plan for annular plate replacement only.

Reply Score 1 for Good Answer
Guru
Engineering Fields - Piping Design Engineering - New Member Egypt - Member - Member since 02/18/2007

Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Cairo, Egypt
Posts: 1733
Good Answers: 248
#8

Re: Water Storage Tank Inspection and Repair

08/31/2011 12:54 AM

The annular plate is preferred to be thicker than the bottom plate, please refer to your regional code- and we prefer to use butt-welded joints at that annular plates, where we use lap-joint for rest of bottom plates.

To repair and replace of corroded bottom plates of storage tank including its annular plates, you have to follow such procedure to avoid collapse of tank shell. The attached file is very interesting method for repairing and replacing: Niigata_-_Replacing_Bottom_Plate.

__________________
It is better to be defeated on principles, than to win on lies!
Reply
Commentator

Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 55
#9
In reply to #8

Re: Water Storage Tank Inspection and Repair

08/31/2011 2:06 AM

Mahesh said it took 1 month to replace the floor when the tank size was 6 m. In our case, its 9.5m, so it will take more than that. It means we will be required atleast 2 welders and whole base plate replacement around 1.5 month. Do we order base plate in the same sections as mentioned in the drawing? Is it necessary to calculate existing base plate thickness? How we will insert the plate in, cant use manhole.

Reply
Guru
Technical Fields - Technical Writing - New Member Engineering Fields - Piping Design Engineering - New Member

Join Date: May 2009
Location: Richland, WA, USA
Posts: 21017
Good Answers: 795
#10
In reply to #9

Re: Water Storage Tank Inspection and Repair

08/31/2011 2:56 AM

To assess this, one would need a drawing showing the tank and what surrounds it, to see what size of plates could be slid under, around, beside, inside, etc.

__________________
In vino veritas; in cervisia carmen; in aqua E. coli.
Reply
Associate

Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: mumbai, maharashtra, india
Posts: 45
Good Answers: 3
#11
In reply to #9

Re: Water Storage Tank Inspection and Repair

08/31/2011 4:51 AM

As stated earlier there are many factors affecting the duration of this type job. Thus generalization to 1.5 months is not justified. There are many people who do this type of bottom plate replacements. This is normally done with hydraulic lifts/supports for the tank to make space for bottom fabrication. You can enquire about them and ask them about the required time duration according to the site conditions, resources available.

Reply
Participant

Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 3
#12
In reply to #11

Re: Water Storage Tank Inspection and Repair

09/19/2016 8:22 AM

Repair of big water storage tanks is not an easy process. If there is leakage from the bottom then the most important thing which matters is the place of the damaged area. If the leakage area is found easily, then it can be repaired by fixing the similar sheet through welding.

Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Reply to Forum Thread 12 comments

"Almost" Good Answers:

Check out these comments that don't yet have enough votes to be "official" good answers and, if you agree with them, vote them!
Copy to Clipboard

Users who posted comments:

Abdel Halim Galala (1); Anonymous Poster (1); illena (1); Just an Engineer (1); mahesh_4754 (2); PWSlack (1); sam12 (2); Tornado (3)

Previous in Forum: Solar Water Heater   Next in Forum: Minimum Shell thickness calculation for Tank

Advertisement