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Chilled Water Flow Measurement with a V-Cone Meter

09/24/2011 8:32 AM

Does anyone have experience with a V-Cone Meter? This meter uses a cone shaped object suspended in the flow path to increase the pressure drop, like an orifice plate, and using a differential pressure transmitter, calculates the flow.

Our application is in a very tight piping location in which we can't provide the minimum straight pipe runs ahead and behind the meter that the usual types of meters would require. It is 14" steel pipe with a max flow rate of 8,000 GPM.

The proposed meter comes with beveled ends and is welded in place, this alone bothers me. What if it needs to be repaired or replaced? But then there is this cone suspended in the flow, do they ever become loose or fall off? Do I need a strainer to catch it if it does?

Does anyone have any experience with this type of meter?

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Re: Chilled Water Flow Measurement with a V-Cone Meter

09/24/2011 9:46 AM

Yes of course people have experience with this type of meter. I have never heard of the V-Cone getting loose or falling off, and they are available with flanged ends at additional cost, or you could weld on your own flanges.

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Re: Chilled Water Flow Measurement with a V-Cone Meter

09/24/2011 10:01 AM

It sounds like you've had good experience with this type of meter?

The flanges add additional length to the meter which is already 31" long, that's 2 pipe diameters right there. Add the 1 or 2 more that is recommended and we are back to the installation requirements of a mag flow meter which has virtually no pressure drop and is very reliable.

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Re: Chilled Water Flow Measurement with a V-Cone Meter

09/24/2011 10:57 AM

I am aware of several dozen V-cone installations, all over 10 years old, none has had a broken internal element. Natural gas, coke gas, Dowtherm, dirty cooling water, among others. I consider the V-cone to be reliable.

I don't know the starting point at which V-cone calculates it upstream/downstream acurracy requirements, but for mags the starting point is generally calculated from the electrodes in the center of the meter body:

A 14" magmeter is 22" flange-to-flange, so its body provides 11", nearly 1 diameter. But that still leaves 4D+ upstream of meter run to approach a mag's stated accuracy. Less than that does effect the meter's accuracy. I'm not sure that the V-cone's 31" overall length really means 2 diameters in this respect.

V-cones do produce more pressure drop than a mag. The factory's flow sizing calculation for the DP cell should tell you what that drop is.

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Re: Chilled Water Flow Measurement with a V-Cone Meter

09/24/2011 1:24 PM

Read http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/71965#comment772452 before you proceed.

You are probably better off using an ultrasonic flow meter.

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Re: Chilled Water Flow Measurement with a V-Cone Meter

09/26/2011 8:26 AM

I don't see any correlation between the current question about a v-cone flow element, and the previous thread regarding a variable area rotameter. And why would anybody but a salesman recommend an ultrasonic flow meter in a turbulent region? Ultrasonics require a laminar flow and will not provide acceptable results in this type of application.

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