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Fluid Dynamics Mystery (To Me)

10/03/2011 5:59 AM

My kitchen sink fixture has separate hot & cold faucets, and a spray attachment on the spout. For some reason (probably partial blockage by deteriorated rubber from its supplyline shut-off), the hot faucet when fully open only delivers a weak flow, and the spray of hot water is ill-formed and weak. However, if I open the cold faucet just a crack or so, the hot spray immediately assumes a normal form. Apparently, a minimum velocity or pressure is needed for a normal spray pattern. THE MYSTERY: why does the normal spray persist, reliably, when I shut off the cold faucet?

This should be observable by anyone with a similar fixture, by opening the hot faucet (or either one) only enough to produce an ill-formed spray, then cracking open the other faucet.

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10/03/2011 6:15 AM

I'd say it's because at low initial flow, the surface tension is making the water from each individual jet 'cling to' all the others.

Once the flow rate has increased enough to separate the flow into the normal pattern, the surface tension problem has been overcome, so the normal pattern is maintained when the flow rate decreases.

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10/03/2011 7:57 PM

JohnDG: Thanks for your response, which is probably correct. I did not suspect that surface tension might be involved. Incidentally, your's was the only response which addressed my question -- the others (so far) offerred me plumbing advice.

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10/03/2011 8:30 PM

Welcome to CR4. You have discovered, early on, you can't get rid of the pitfalls/beauties of the forum. We all think we know more than you do, and, each other.

So, while JohnDG gave the answer to your original question, you may have also gotten some good advice on how to correct the actual problem of, "the spray of hot water is ill-formed and weak".

I had to have prostate surgery to fix mine.

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10/03/2011 9:00 PM

lyn...The plumbing advice I got was appreciated, and I thank all who sent it. However, as far as "rating" their comments, I was given only 2 choices, essentially either relevant (to my question) or not. Although I evidently had a plumbing problem, that was not the substance of my post. Incidentally, I may also need prostate surgery.

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10/03/2011 9:06 PM

Never mind the rating. You'll figure out that it doesn't matter.

Just go with the flow. Get it? Flow? That's the other thing you'll have to come to grips with here. Humor, our our brand of it.

I had mine (surgery) a year ago, yesterday. PM me if you'd like. (Click on my name and click on send lyn a PM or whatever it says.)

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10/04/2011 5:28 PM

To be fair, kramarat's post #2 also gave a plausible reason for the observed phenomenon - as well as suggesting some practical advice.

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10/05/2011 4:19 PM

You are right. I re-rated kramarat's post, and thanked him.

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10/05/2011 4:28 PM

Thanks John.

From OT to GA.

I wasn't worried about it. I've found out many times, both on here and off here, that, just because something makes sense to me, doesn't mean it makes sense.

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10/03/2011 8:31 AM

Here's a guess.

Somewhere in the hot water supply line, or in the faucet itself, you have loose sediment that is slowing the hot water flow. When you crack the cold water faucet, it puts back pressure on the hot supply, blows the sediment out of the way, redistributes it and allows better flow.

This site has some tips on keeping hot water lines clear.

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10/03/2011 9:58 AM

Sounds like a partial clog inside the "Mixing Valve body". Take it apart if you can and service it...clean thoroughly. .......or if that doesn't work, replace the offending faucet(s) with new ones.

You never mentioned how old these faucet(s) are.

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10/03/2011 2:50 PM

Sounds to me like the spray diverter valve.

This HowStuffWorks page has a troubleshooting technique to determine if this is the mysterious source of the water dance.

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10/03/2011 4:10 PM

Take the thing apart until you find these. Check if the hot one has a hot tap washer. If not it will expand and contract by getting it touch with the cold flow. There are universal tap washers.

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10/04/2011 1:50 PM

Although JohnDG's answer sure was nice and scientific, I agree with the others that you probably have a problem at the mixing valve. That valve is a miracle of engineering IMHO and probably easily confused by debris. A sliver of teflon tape can be enough to mess up fancy fluid controls.

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10/05/2011 4:16 PM

Thanks for your input. However I suspect THIS mixing valve, at the base of the spout, is no engineering miracle but JUST AN APERTURE which admits randomly mixed hot and cold flow from a tube connecting the two separate faucets. It does not proportion either flow.

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10/05/2011 4:31 PM

TO ALL who have responded to my original thread (repeated above), thank you! I am new to forums, so please excuse any improprieties. Because I am pressed for time, I cannot continue to respond to comments, and must withdraw from this thread.

Thanks, again.

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10/05/2011 4:57 PM

You're welcome - and welcome back when you have time. Nice to have a new gentlemanly (gentlewomanly?) member around - they tend to be few and far between.

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10/07/2011 6:34 PM

JohnDG: Thanks for your invite to come back (I will), and the compliment. PS: I'm a guy.

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