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Where to get a prototype vacuum flask manufactured?

10/05/2011 11:33 AM

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I am currently working on an R&D project for a patentable concept. As part of this concept I require a 20L tank that can hold water at close to boiling temperature for a period of time and thus I turned to a vacuum flask. The design of the flask is specific to its purpose and therefore no ordinary vacuum flask will suffice.

I have the design pretty much finalised but I am struggling to find a company that will produce this once-off vacuum flask design. I reside in the Republic of Ireland.

I understand that even if I do find someone to carry out the task it could be very expensive but that is something I can deal with if I manage to receive a quote.

I would very much appreciate any suggestions or advise on the matter.

Thanks and regards

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Re: Where to get a prototype vacuum flask manufactured?

10/05/2011 7:25 PM

Hi TR,

What is the construction material for the flask? That would set what kind of shop you would go to for the prototype. You will need to have drawings of exactly what you want to make and, for something like this, a 3-D drawing would be best.

Depending on the material and the intricacy of the design, yes, it could get expensive.

Sorry I don't have more specific advice.

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10/05/2011 9:07 PM

I assume that two tubes, one welded inside the other won't work for you. If you need curved tubes, with constant diameters, just put two straight tubes together, fill them with water, freeze it and bend the tubing while the water is frozen. Weld ends, etc.

If you need spacial shapes hydroforming two halves of appropriate dimensions will work.

As usual, not enough information to go with.

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Re: Where to get a prototype vacuum flask manufactured?

10/06/2011 12:08 AM

Try checking out "Dewars"; basically industrial-size Thermos® bottles. With luck, there may be some off-the-shelf versions that would work, unless you have special geometric needs.

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Re: Where to get a prototype vacuum flask manufactured?

10/06/2011 4:18 AM

Thanks for all the advise, much appreciated!

Metal or glass would be the material. Basically what I am looking for is a Thermos® , shaped very similar to a hip flask but that can store approximately 20 Litres.

Dewars might in fact be the solution so thanks for advising. They definitely come in the capacity I'm looking for, although I am unsure about the shape. From a cost point of view maybe I might have to purchase a regular Dewar and re-think my design. I would rather get one prototyped but as with any new design compromise may be required.

I'll be sure to post again on any updates.

Cheers!

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Re: Where to get a prototype vacuum flask manufactured?

10/06/2011 4:37 AM

If you can come up with a 20-litre hip flask, kramarat, lyn, and I might be the start of a market base; and LynDoor™ Industries would surely plug it, albeit ineffectively. Ya gotta fill it with the right stuff, though, whether Gran Patron, green Chartreuse, or Pure Ole Panther Piss.

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Re: Where to get a prototype vacuum flask manufactured?

10/06/2011 7:16 PM

20 litre??????????? That's a backpack.!

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Re: Where to get a prototype vacuum flask manufactured?

10/07/2011 10:40 AM

Look at the manufacturers of liquid nitrogen containers. they are in sizes as you would need. Material is usually a stainless steel due to its lower conductibility. Some have a glass Dewar inside but not all of them.

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10/07/2011 11:12 PM

Look here.

Specifications

Insulated bucket,thermos bottle
Material:Stainless steel 304/316L
Capacity:20L,25L,30L,35L,40L,45L,50L.

keep warm

Just a thought this might work.

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Re: Where to get a prototype vacuum flask manufactured?

10/08/2011 11:45 AM

I had a second look at your problem. The overall dimensions are quite small (d x h ≈300x300mm) and the temperature difference as well limited (max 80 °C). It could be possible to use a thermal insulation other than vacuum and avoid an expensive solution. All depends on your time constant for the cooling T= Σ(M.cp)/(k*A) where M is the mass of water and the container wall in contact with it ; Cp is the thermal capacity for the same; k= global total heat transfer coefficient of the wall and A is the transfer area. If the constant is not very big then other solutions are possible at a lower total cost. It is possible to use only an external insulation for a stainless container different foams have such a low heat conductivity that it can be a real solution to use them.

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