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Building a Super-Simple EDM or Metal Disintegrator

10/11/2011 11:01 PM

I've seen (and built) a very simple EDM powered by a 12 volt car battery and consisting of a multi-layer coil of 14-10 gauge wire somewhere in the range of 50-70 feet wrapped around a 3/4 inch piece of schedule 40 plastic pipe (lawn sprinkler pipe). Coil length is about 8 inches in my version.

The armature is a piece of 1/2 inch conduit with a plug at one end to hold an electrode.

One end of the coil is connected to the negative terminal of the battery, the other to the electrode. The workpiece is connected to the positive terminal of the battery.

The workpiece and electrode are submerged, usually, in tap water. When the electrical connections are made, the circuit is completed by contact of the electrode with the workpiece. This energizes the coil and pulls the conduit/electrode (C/E) up, breaking the circuit. The C/E then falls under gravity back, making contact with the workpiece and the cycle repeats. It is not fast but one can reliably cut holes in the workpiece regardless of the thickness.

If the electrode is a hollow tube, water can be introduced at the top and used to flush the workpiece out, improving the precision of the hole.

1. I am trying to remember everything I was taught about linear solenoids but I cannot find nor remember is they will automatically center the armature even if it is longer than the length of the coil. Does anyone know?

2. Some linear solenoids use a flywheel diode to limit the emf generated by the coil when the circuit opens. However, flywheel diodes slow the release of the armature, perhaps enough to prevent the system from working properly or, perhaps, just slowing it down to unusable speeds. What do you think?

3. How would you improve this design?

The entire purpose of this exercise is to allow home shop machinists to be able to remove broken taps and drills from their work. Hence the need to keep it simple and inexpensive. I do intend to publish it in my magazine, Model Engine Builder.

Any help gratefully accepted.

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10/12/2011 9:03 PM

The book "The EDM How-To-Book" by Ben Fleming is more involved than what you described but it is still down at the home shop DIY level. You might review it for ideas. I don't recall for sure but I probably got it from Lindsey Technical Publications.

http://www.lindsaybks.com/.

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04/03/2012 10:24 PM

Bruce,

I understand Lindsay is out of business. Do you know of any other sources of the kind of books they used to print? I loved 'em, but apparently all of us together couldn't love them enough to get them through these times.

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10/12/2011 10:56 PM

Your spirit may be in the right place.

BUT.

I am bothered by people wasting their time reinventing the wheel.

The power supply needed is high voltage, current limited. Available on Ebay, cheap.

Wire or other erosion conductors are industry standard.

So is the dielectric liquid.

Now, what exactly you wanted to improve?

If you do it iust because you want to, go ahead, have fun.

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10/13/2011 1:24 PM

This is not a waste of time pursuit.

An inexpensive, make-it-at-home EDM with limited abilities (mainly to help remove broken taps and drills from metal projects) is a reasonable goal. My target audience is Model Engineers . . . people who build operating miniature engines, locomotives, etc. They are not electronic technicians and are not about to go off and spend hundreds of dollars and lots of time building a piece of equipment they would only use occasionally.

So, I'm not interested in improving EDM state of the art but providing an affordable way to remove a hardened tool from surrounding metal without destroying what may represent hundreds of hours of work on a model.

I am told by old-time mechanics that a commercial version of this machine also powered by a 12 volt battery, was once available for use in automobile garages. Commercial 'Metal Disintegrators' are still available but are seriously upscale and pretty much out of the financial reach of an automotive garage. Looks like another case of the technology walking away from a market.

This machine I've built works already. I am merely attempting to optimize it. Seems reasonable to me as it will to my readers.

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10/13/2011 1:36 PM

I hope you "publish" here as well as I would also like to build such a cheap unit.....as I don't have the money for an expensive unit either.

.....and even if I did have the money, my Scottish blood would prevent me buying it......

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10/13/2011 1:47 PM

I will publish it in our free newsletter as well as the magazine.

You can subscribe to the newsletter by going to our Web site, www.modelenginebuilder.com and signing up.

The downloadable PDF file should be available by the end of this Month. I'll send a short e-mail to all newsletter subscribers when it is.

I've set the newsletter up to be a downloadable PDF rather than pushing it to all subscribers as it cuts down on the size of traffic and not every issue is interesting to every subscriber.

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10/13/2011 2:00 PM

Many thanks.

I am sure that I won't be the only one taking advantage of your kind offer.

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04/03/2012 8:57 PM

Now that I'm sort of recovered from having a heart valve replaced, I'll get on with publishing the EDM in the newsletter. Expect it before the end of the month.

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10/13/2011 3:38 PM

With these elaborations it looks that much better. Please, count me in.

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10/14/2011 2:16 PM

Aye ... am with you! I, too, would like to see the details of the finished (or even semi-finished) design. I MIGHT find a way to improve it for my use, but probably not. And I certainly would like to own an affordable one I built myself.

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10/13/2011 9:10 AM

You can buy DIY Plasma CNC tables from Torch Mate, Dyna Torch etc. if you want to be "Handy" and Dandy with precision.

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10/13/2011 12:08 PM

And have, or can even justify, spending lots of money. My wife is fond of saying, when I'm wishing to buy instead of building, something she agrees I need, but not quicker than I can build it "Time we got. Money we ain't."

It translates well to the OPs case, also. And maybe, just maybe, he likes the idea of having one no one else has, built with his own hands.

I remember as a kid learning electronic theory from a Ham operator, and designing and building my own transmitters and receivers. No, the transmitters weren't legal, but I learned a lot from them, that put me miles ahead of my peers when I joined the US Navy as a teenager, and I was doing complex system repair at the component level before I had been in a year. And the Ham complained of the same thing I complain of today. Way too many want to know how, but don't want to learn how, or do the work to make their own, because, shoot, why should I reinvent the wheel?

But it isn't reinventing the wheel to build it just because I want to build it better (For MY purposes, and face it, YOUR purposes don't count for me!) than I can buy it.

And I suspect there are a lot of us who like to be able to say things like "See that carburetor on that old car? Well, it doesn't work like the original, because I could no longer get replacement parts. So I redesigned it to work BETTER than the original." Unfortunately, all the "why build it when you can buy it" crowd misses out on this.

Their loss. But don't denigrate those of us who want to do it ourselves.

And imagine what WE would all have lost if Del the Cat didn't make his own bows, weld cast iron, and do the electronic circuit designs he has done. Along with all the other stuff Del does, the we only find out about when we ask.

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10/13/2011 1:21 PM

Agree.

But he really didn't understand what the OP and maybe you are trying to build either! Re-read his post, nothing there matches an EDM.......

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10/13/2011 1:33 PM

michad02, I completely agree. As a youth I learned how to work on cars and many other things around the house from my dad. We did not have a lot of money and re-purposed many things to serve new functions. Most of these projects got the job done. Some failed, but the cost was minimal.

From my dad and these silly projects, I learned how to use tools, I learned how to design, and I learned how to think.

Andy - After several reads, I think that the OP is using a home made solenoid to lift the EDM (electrical discharge machining) electrode. He does not describe his whole apparatus, just the part he wants to refine.

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10/13/2011 1:53 PM

Plasma torches cut gross swaths in metal compared to trying to remove a 4-40 tap (around a 0.09 inch starting hole so the 'burn-out' has to be smaller) from the center of an engine part that might have taken a hundred hours of work to bring to the point where the tap broke.

This EDM can use a bit of drill rod, brass tube or spring steel as the electrode.

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10/14/2011 8:23 AM

Yes, I agree with you completely. I misunderstood his intentions, thinking metal fabrication not tap removal. I too was rebuilding lawn mower engines when I was 10 years old for money to buy model airplanes. However at 60 I can afford $5000 for a hobby, like acrobatic flying lessons.

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10/13/2011 6:39 PM

I don't remember the details; One of our field guys used to make one using a vibrating marker tool instead of the coil. Same deal with the battery. I never got interested enough to pursue the idea.

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10/14/2011 1:40 PM

Thanks but those two approaches have been around for many years now and the two designs have problems. Not only with their technology but just the fact the Model Engineers are not electronic technicians and have little patience or training for electronic projects.

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far more than 2 approaches on the yahoo group

this may answer your question

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/EDMHomeBuilders/message/3413

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10/14/2011 1:48 PM

I had some sort of brain wave last night. The battery power is OK but the battery gets discharged rather rapidly at the approximately 40 amp discharge rate.

However, I have a perfectly good MIG welder sitting out in the shop that will happily deliver 90 amps (it is a small 110 VAC input model). It has a massive copper-wound transformer and should be capable of sustaining 40 amps for a fairly long time. It does have duty cycle limits but they are fairly mild at 40 amps.

Granted MIG welders have a constant voltage style power supply and the open circuit volts are something like 20-30 VDC, but this should work ok. I'll try it in the next few days.

If the 90 amp welder won't work, I have a 160 amp in the shed.

Any thoughts? Other than the MIG means the EDM isn't portable.

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10/16/2011 3:44 PM

Greetings.

If I remember correctly Lindsay Publications had a book on building this.

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