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Control Symbol Meaning

10/19/2011 2:52 PM

i want to known the meaning of following symbols used in electrical control drawings

1. cables symbols : below is the symbol of power cables . what does the cross line on the three cables mean

2 : below is the symbol of a power contactor. but what does the parellel NO contact type lines mean.

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10/19/2011 3:15 PM

Did your instructor cover this in class?

Is there a reference in one of your course books you could review?

Are there any tutors available at you institution of learning that can help achieve your higher learning?

You obviously have access to the internet, have you ever heard of Google?

Have you ever attempted to do your own research?

Given the numerous home work and/or study questions you have posted on this forum, do you think it may be time to have a sit-down with your instructor for some extra help with your course study?

Just asking.

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10/19/2011 3:15 PM

1. Tic Tac Toe X wins!

2. I guess that somebody doesn't understand how to make a power ON status light. Maybe this is to determine if any of the heavy current contacts are not making a good connection.

3. (The obvious but untyped question.) You do not have access to your text book but you must hand in your homework anyway.

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10/19/2011 3:16 PM

Great minds think alike

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10/19/2011 3:59 PM

There are millions of listings for schematic symbols on the internet.

If you can't find one, then I pity you.

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10/19/2011 9:34 PM

I think we have pretty well established a while ago that you are not a student, so please forgive us our sarcasm and acrimony (again).

I do however find it a little disturbing that you seem to be in a position of responsibility for a wide variety of electrical equipment in your position, yet you are not familiar with what we would consider to be basic information. Hence the repeated interpretation that you are a student.

More likely, I now think you are a junior engineer who got the job but does not want to let on to your superiors that you don't know as much as they thought you did and asking for help from your more experienced colleagues will expose your shortcomings. So you come to us with things you can't figure out on your own. If that's the case, I feel for you, it's a tough spot to be in.

To the point at hand, #1 makes no sense to me, but I'm not an expert on IEC symbols. I have looked at my resources but came up empty. Usually slashes like that are used to depict numbers of cables in a conduit or circuit on a one-line diagram, but that makes no sense as yours show.

#2 is more familiar to me though. The little boxes would be resistors, the small parallel contact elements with the little tails represent Early-Make/Late-Break aux. contacts, meaning they will make a little ahead of the main contacts and break a little behind them. So what that is showing is a set of arc suppression resistors around the main contacts. This is most commonly used in capacitor control contactors to suppress the continuation of the arc by the capacitors when the main contacts open. The main contacts open and for a brief moment, the energy passes through the still made aux. contacts to the resistors, which absorb the residual energy in the capacitors so that the extended arc doesn't damage the more expensive main contacts.

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10/19/2011 11:37 PM

#2 is more familiar to me though. The little boxes would be resistors, the small parallel contact elements with the little tails represent Early-Make/Late-Break aux. contacts, meaning they will make a little ahead of the main contacts and break a little behind them. So what that is showing is a set of arc suppression resistors around the main contacts. This is most commonly used in capacitor control contactors to suppress the continuation of the arc by the capacitors when the main contacts open. The main contacts open and for a brief moment, the energy passes through the still made aux. contacts to the resistors, which absorb the residual energy in the capacitors so that the extended arc doesn't damage the more expensive main contacts

Absolutely correct. i would like to add :

When a capacitor is switched on to the system, which already has many charged capacitors, it acts like a short-circuit, and the inrush current can be as high as 180 times the rated current. This will destroy the contactor. To prevent this inrush, early-make aux contacts switch on the capacitor through the resistors, drastically attenuating the inrush, and then the main contacts close on to the normal current.

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10/20/2011 4:37 AM

Thanks to you and JRAEF i learnt something today.

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10/20/2011 5:20 AM

Just to reinforce, but, slightly disagree: from

http://www.roymech.co.uk/Useful_Tables/Drawing/Electical_Control_symbols.html

So the configuration is primarily concerned with suppressing the sparks when the circuit is made.

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10/20/2011 7:21 AM

Randall

i need to add :

The early-make aux contacts are special. In Schneider and some other designs, they are momentary.

The upper trace is that of the main contacts while the lower one is that of the early-make momentary aux contacts.

ABB uses early-make contacts which become early-break contacts while opening (counterintuitive, since early-make usually become late-break contacts)

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10/20/2011 7:38 AM

Gee I thought we are all students. Life should teach us something new everyday. Whether the teacher is the task at hand we are doing or an instructor. We all learn, we are students.

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10/20/2011 1:01 PM

tanx a lot for ur replay to #2 question. it cleared a lot of things. but #1 is still unclear because this cable symbol is used in our drawing but i cannot find it in IEC symbols list.the drawing is of siemens switchgear.the complete drawing is shown below.again the cross line on three cables is not understandable.

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10/20/2011 2:07 PM

There is something else written next to each of the sloping lines: what do they say?

The "extra" short strokes seem to be missing from this drawing; is there a reason for that?

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10/20/2011 6:32 PM

The crossing line seems to indicate that these 3 cable have a specific cross section and maybe the insulation class for thermal protection (?). the first looks like 35 with a square symbole for cross section (35 mm2 ?) and class F ?

In any case, this cross line is used to indicate some property common to the 3 wires, at each stage of the circuit.

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10/20/2011 8:33 PM

I would agree with that assessment. Wire size and insulation rating.

Very German thing to do; They would refer to it as "Rationalizing" the circuit diagram. They like to rationalize everything, which to them means leave nothing open to misinterpretation (but only if you were trained in Germany, which if you were not, is irrelevant because you don't matter anyway).

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10/20/2011 7:53 AM

My God, go learn what you're doing before you electrocute someone.

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10/20/2011 10:08 PM

If we can't learn from you, who then?

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10/21/2011 9:42 PM

It takes to #12 to get to the nub of the question.

Coolyaar why do you make thing hard for yourself on here? People will help but without information how can they?

I will echo what others have said learn your job BEFORE you kill someone!

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