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4 Core vs 3.5 Core Cables

11/03/2011 8:19 AM

why we are using 4 core why cant we use 3.5 core....???

since 4th core is nuetral wire, why we are using the thickness for nuetral core as same as phase core in 4 core cables....???

pls some one explain me......

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Re: 4 Core vs 3.5 Core Cables

11/03/2011 8:40 AM

The neutral wire is a current carrying conductor. In order to handle the same current it needs to be the same size. AC current flow changes sources from the hot wire to the neutral.

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Re: 4 Core vs 3.5 Core Cables

11/03/2011 1:50 PM

You have to look at the harmonics of the neutral conductor.

With modern equipment it is getting to be a major problem especially with IT gear.

Some cable manufacturers can now supply cable with a neutral 1.5 X phase conductor.

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Re: 4 Core vs 3.5 Core Cables

11/03/2011 6:51 PM

The selection of neutral conductor depends on the nature of loads, such as the load harmonics (more than 20% loads are electronic) or the load balancing (most of the loads are 3 phase motor) etc. So, there are few cases to consider here:

(1) If the loads are almost balanced and there is no significant electronic loads, you can select 3.5 (3 + 0.5)

(2) If the loads are not balanced and there is no significant electronic loads, you can select 4 (3 + 1)

(3) If the loads are balanced and there is significant electronic loads, you can also select 4 (3 + 1)

(4) If the loads are not balanced and there is significant electronic loads, you need to select even higher size for neutral (3 + 1.5)

For more detail, see these links:

http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/52474/Suitable-Cables-for-high-harmonic-THD-generating-machines

http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/43708/Harmonic-Current

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Re: 4 Core vs 3.5 Core Cables

11/10/2011 7:12 PM

I would only add to this that the standards or regulations in your area may also be the determining factor.

e.g. In Australia the standard (AS\NZ 3008) dictates that the neutral shall never be less that the smallest active conductor, so a 3.5C cable would not be permissible under any circumstances, but allows for 4C or greater (>4.5C).

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Re: 4 Core vs 3.5 Core Cables

11/05/2011 5:59 PM

Two main factors decide the 4core cable in three phase panel boards

1. All the loads connected on the panel board are single phase loads. They are balanced that is each phase carries same value current. In such case, due to any reason, two phases single phase loads are off and third phase full single phase loads are on, then same amount of current passes from phase to neutral. It must be 4-core cable which is used in the panel board.

2. If a panel board is supplying all fluorescent lighting loads and they equally connected on the each phase of a 3-phase panel board. Third harmonics current generated by the fluorescent lights will be additive in the neutral. Hence additive third harmonics current in the neutral will be nearly same amount of current as that of each phase. It is mandatory to use 4-core cable as per NEC.

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11/11/2011 6:23 AM

thnks every one for ur valuable answer....

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Re: 4 Core vs 3.5 Core Cables

12/20/2011 1:51 AM

Dear All,

Very useful posting

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Re: 4 Core vs 3.5 Core Cables

09/03/2024 4:39 AM

It depends upon where and who the <...we...> are. Does the <...we...> have qualifications to trade as a competent Electrician locally?

It is permitted in some countries' national codes. For example:

  • In the UK, a reduced cross-section of earth conductor is employed in twin-and-earth cable. It might be called a 2.5-core cable.
  • In the Republic of Ireland, the same cable would not be permitted for the same job, and a same-size earth conductor is needed as the line and neutral conductors. It might be called a 3-core cable.

Until that matter is addressed, the inevitable game of "20 questions" must ensue, which some readers find offensive. Do help the forum to provide the help needed.

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