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Question of Flyback Transformer in DC Step-up Converter Design

11/08/2011 7:47 AM

Hi All,

I am trying to design 13V to 15VDC power supply at rated load current of 200ma to 250ma to power my PCB board which is slotted into the PC mother board. I am to use the 3.3VDC power from PC mother board.

Assuming min 80% conversion efficiency from DC step up converter IC such as LM2700, I would require a 3.3V power capable of sourcing 0.98A to get my 13V, 200ma. There are very limited number of DC step up converter IC capable of low input voltage range (3.3V and below) and able to give 13V 200ma and above.

As such, I did some google search and came across the following circuit (see attached) which makes use of flyback transformer in the pre boosted DC step up converter design (see Fig 2). Unfortunately I am no transformer/inductor expert. What I want to know is:

a) From the electrical requirements of my power supply, can the fly back transformer be able to achieve the electrical specs of 13V 200ma at the boost converter output? Suppose the N1(pri):N2(sec) is 1:3, then I would get 4x3.3V = 13.2V right? But what about the 200ma load current?

b) As the transformer is fly back and uses switching to step up the DC voltage, any method to use to calculate the switching frequency, number of N1,N2 turns, pri and sec inductance etc to meet my requirements?

c) What is the advantage of using the circuit in Fig 2 compared with the traditional cicuit of Fig 1?

Your help would be greatly appreciated!

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Re: Question of Flyback Transformer in DC Step-up Converter Design

11/08/2011 12:34 PM

Have a look at this, it will save some time and effort

www.farnellinone.com

look for dc - dc convertors, plenty of modules to choose from.

Rather curious why you want to step up from 3.3v rather than access the available 12v rail that is there or even the 5 volt rail as most pc power supplies have this in abundance.

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Re: Question of Flyback Transformer in DC Step-up Converter Design

11/08/2011 7:29 PM

Sorry for trouble, I've re attached the pic here:

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Re: Question of Flyback Transformer in DC Step-up Converter Design

11/08/2011 7:35 PM

Hi All,

Sorry, I am intereste to find out if the above circuit in Fig 2 can meet my electrical requirement.

How do I calculate the inductances (pri and sec), turns ratio, and switching frequency etc?

I think it would be efficient if I chose pri inductance to be same as sec inductance and the number of turns in sec winding to be less than pri winding so the sec coil can source more current. Is this correct?

Your reply is greatly appreciated

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Re: Question of Flyback Transformer in DC Step-up Converter Design

11/08/2011 10:35 PM

What is the point? Such supplies are straight catalog items. The price is something you cannot touch yourself, nor the efficiency.

Hope to bend the cost curve, or simply homework?

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Re: Question of Flyback Transformer in DC Step-up Converter Design

11/09/2011 5:43 AM

Possible - yes. We did this many times to get added voltages in Flyback converter TV sets to get added voltages just do some turns around the flyback transformer. Or to create the tuning voltage from a low voltage

Designwise it is much more trouble than to use a single choke step up transformer. Refer to LT catalog. A critical key item is the capacitor 191 and he overall ripple of he circuit.

2 Windings are always more expensive than a simple choke off the shelf....

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Re: Question of Flyback Transformer in DC Step-up Converter Design

11/09/2011 2:48 PM

Look for off-the-shelf converter as suggested by one friend.

For your information I add that Flyback circuits don't follow the Turns Ratio rule but frequency. If you have an old CRT TV look its HV transformer.

It is the field of Hi-Frequency which need ferrite core transformers and knowledge of SMPS like used in PCs.

I suggest to use (+) or (-) 12V which has much higher capacity of current than the 3.3V which only to switch on or off.

Circuit one will do if you can design the Regulator control properly.

The kick back of L1 will add its pulse to input voltage.

Find the detailed description for it.

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Re: Question of Flyback Transformer in DC Step-up Converter Design

11/09/2011 11:42 PM


Thanks! I think I'll stick to circuit in Fig 1.

One more question,I am curious to know does circuit of Fig 2 improves power conversion efficiency, since it "traps" more magnetic flux with its secondary inductance coil, as compared with Fig 1 circuit which has one coil? Or does this translates to the Vin source havs to supply more current to achieve the same amount of magnetic flux since it has to drive additional (secondary coil) compared with traditional circuit?

Cheers!

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