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Relay Contact Protection

11/16/2011 8:02 AM

I am using 5V,16A relay with voltage rating 250V AC. I want to protect relay contact through RC quenching circuit, please suggest value and rating of Resistance and Capacitance for arc suppression. Load current is 16A.

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Re: Relay contact protection

11/16/2011 8:18 AM

There are two other options you should consider:

1. Switch the relays only at zero cross. Even though the contact closure is a bit slow you will still be before the peak current cycle on the AC waveform. Relay closure times vary from relay to relay and they also vary over time, so there is no good predictive algorithm to use for a perfect timing.

2. Switch the relays asynchronous to the AC waveform. This will insure that approximately 50% of closures and opens are on one side of the AC waveform and 50% are on the other. This reduces dendrite growth on the contacts since the average of the current direction is equally spread over time.

Be careful that the method you use to randomize the contact closure and opening is really random and not some multiple of the line frequency.

Scheme number 2 is the most common way to do it.

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11/16/2011 9:00 AM

GA to AH.

There are some special contactors which are current-zero sensing ones, but big and expensive i guess. Lots of electronics in it.

Randomising by design is interesting, never occurred to me Do you have any simple method to do this AH?

About the OP, this Tyco paper gives some methods....you can try. (why would you bother at a voltage level of 5V though?)

http://relays.te.com/schrack/pdf/C0_v4bg_4.pdf

An extract from that paper....

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11/16/2011 11:05 AM

If you are using a microprocessor to engage the relays simply make sure that either the CPU clock rate is not a multiple of the line frequency and/or the interrupt that drives the process is not somehow tied to the line frequency.

If it is an external source that drive the relay closure it is usually rare that this stimulus is tied to the line frequency, but a little detailed checking should answer that question.

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11/16/2011 12:46 PM

<...bother at a voltage level of 5V...>

Er, it reads as though the relay coil is 5VDC and the contract rating is 250VAC, 16A, here or is that a misinterpretation?

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11/16/2011 8:32 PM

Arghhh how stupid of me. You are quite right i am sure, i hope the ephemeral OP comes and confirms. Thanks for correcting me.

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Re: Relay Contact Protection

11/16/2011 11:41 AM

Schweitzer Engineering Labs (SEL) has a small module called the SEL-9502 Contact Arc Suppressor available for this purpose. Check out their web site www.selinc.com for info. They are kind of pricey ($105 each), but if you cannot control your switching as AH recommends, this might do the trick.

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11/17/2011 7:44 AM

Red Lion R-C Snubber Noise and Arc Suppressor at Newark on line for $6.00

Model Number SNUB0000

There's a PDF from Red Lion showing how to correctly place it in circuit and it's specs on the Newark site.

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11/17/2011 7:55 AM

That is an RC snubber for the coil side of the relay. It is a smart addition to the total circuit, but the original poster seems to be concerned with the actual contact points of the relay, which this will not help.

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11/17/2011 8:52 AM

Suggest you download the PDF from redlion.net. I can't seem to get the hyperlink to work or the pdf to upload to CR4.

I use them on the contacts for hvac apps.

redlion.net/Support/Virtualhelpdesk/search for snub0000

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11/17/2011 10:03 AM

Data sheets normally give some data on spark quenching networks.

Check with the manufacturer or any equivalent relay.

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11/17/2011 10:38 AM

Hi, I just ran the figures you gave and if you put a resistor and a capacitor, in series, across the relay contact points it will give a simple, but effective spark suppression. For 16 Amps at 250 Volts: Use a Capacitor of about 25 Mfd., at a Working Voltage of at least 500 Volts. With a Resistor of 0.1 Ohm, rated at 5 to 10 Watts. This ought to get going. Success.

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11/17/2011 12:28 PM

Why not simply use a solid state relay? Various manufacturers make them. The ones we use are Potter Brumfield.

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11/17/2011 1:11 PM

A caution. If you use 25 μF of capacitance, it will pass about 2 amps reactive current @ 230 VAC, 50 Hz - when your contact is open and supposed to be OFF.

When the contact closes, the capacitor may be at 325V and peak current could be 1000 amps, you should consider if the contact is rated to switch such a capacitor at that voltage (if not, the contact may weld closed or be damaged more when closing than opening.

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