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Derating of Busbar In Its Sizing.

11/23/2011 11:24 PM

For a hydroplant, the following data is noted:

Normal current generator = 1667 A.

Ambient temperature = 35 degree C

Permissible temp rise = 40 degree C.

Type of enclosure = Non segregated bus duct.

what is the formula for derating of busbar?

what is the formula for:

derating factor for ambient temperature (35 degree C)

derating factor for enclosure

operating factor for Matt-black paint

Total derating factor = multiplication of all of the above derating factor?

If for 1667 amp, a higher amp bus should be used - Then why is it called derating? It should be called increase rating instead!!

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Re: derating of busbar in its sizing.

11/24/2011 12:08 AM

I do not understand your question. You state that the ambient temperature is 35°C and you wish to know the de-rating at 35°C. It seems to me that either you or the specification sheet that you are reading this from have made a typographic error. At least I hope my polite guess of a typographic error is correct. You then add some apparently unrelated sentence fragments of "de-rating factor for enclosure" (of what? the busbars or the generator?) and "operating factor for Matt-black paint" (what gets painted? also which operating factor?) that has nothing noticably tied into the temperature of a busbar but could in some assemblies have a significant effect on the temperature produced by the busbar.

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Re: Derating of Busbar In Its Sizing.

11/24/2011 3:01 AM

Pretty soon, LynDoor Industries will come up with an integrally finned bus bar shape, vaguely resembling a motorcycle engine. With suitable fans and/or ventilation, they will be able to get maybe 1.75 x the current density of Brand X bus bars. O frabjous day!

[Note that I am the first (11/23/2011) to invent this, but will not be the first to file.]

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11/24/2011 3:11 AM
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Re: Derating of Busbar In Its Sizing.

11/24/2011 5:30 AM

It cannot be taught in this forum. Such a long topic! Why don't you attend to our training programme on the subject?

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11/24/2011 11:33 PM

Refer reputed manufacturer's literature. Matt paint might affect the emissivity.

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11/25/2011 1:12 AM

"Then why is it called derating?......"

When your operating conditions change from their specified nominal values in a direction that diminishes the performance of the device then that device is said to be "derated".

One would then need to select a device with a specified performance that exceeds the requirements under ideal conditions.

The superior device, when subjected to the performance diminishing environment, would perform better than the inferior device but not as good as it could under ideal conditions.

The derating factors for the non ideal environment are applied to the superior device to determine its handicap.

All clear now?

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11/25/2011 1:21 AM

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