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Strange And Inexplicable Events

11/27/2011 9:36 AM

Have you ever had something happen to you that defies explanation?

Maybe a gut feeling that turned out to be accurate?

I'll start off with something that, to this day, I can't explain.

About 25 years ago I had a fall out of a 40' JLG basket lift. I was on a job site, fully extended out to the side of the base, about 20' off the ground. I felt a jolt, and instantly began traveling upward...............in an arc. Well, I rode the basket through the arc, waited until I was about 20'-25' from the ground on the other side, dove out of the basket, swung my legs underneath me, and landed on my feet in sand.

It turned out that someone had buried a new septic tank on the job, didn't mark where it was, I happened to park the lift on top of it, and it broke, turning the lift into something like a crazy ferris wheel ride.

Well, I got busted up pretty good, but no lasting injuries. Here's the strange part:

For about a year before it happened, I had had a recurring dream in which I fell, under almost identical circumstances. In most cases, I was on a plywood platform affixed to the top of a tall pole, and the base of the pole broke. Sometimes I would be in the top of a tree, and the tree would start falling. In each dream, I would wait until I was almost to the ground, and jump out and up.........landing on my feet.

Anyway, by the time the accident happened, I had rehearsed it so many times in my dreams, that I instinctively knew when to jump. After the actual fall, I never had those dreams again.

So I'm wondering if anybody else has had something happen that you can't explain.

Lets try to keep this interesting and nonreligious. So I'd ask anyone that wants to post that God did it, to please refrain.

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11/27/2011 10:14 AM

I've had lots of things happen to me that defy explanation.

I usually figured them out after I sobered up.

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11/27/2011 10:32 AM

Yeah, I've had a few of those myself. The next morning:

Why is everyone mad at me?

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11/27/2011 10:37 AM

The strange and inexplicable has always been a part of my life for as long as I can remember. Even with a good background in the sciences I still find many things I have seen or have had happen just don't have good scientific explaination as of yet.

Relating to dereaming of my future I have had that happen many times. Its almost like a sixth sense to me now.

(I could just be nuts too.) Ever watch the movie Shutter Island?

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11/27/2011 10:54 AM

I only had it happen that one time. The entire fall probably took 5 seconds. Jumping wasn't something I had to think about......................I just knew when to jump.

Of course, part of the experience, was that time slowed way down during the fall, which seems to be a fairly common experience that's reported during car crashes and other events.

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11/27/2011 11:49 AM

Actually a fairly recent well constructed experiment popped the time slowing down during a traumatic event myth. We experience time at the same rate but during the traumatic event we store more memories per second as we are trying to grasp our circumstance. On reflection after the event there are more "files" available per second while we were in a level of panic than while things are normal.

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11/27/2011 12:07 PM

Interesting. It says that it is recollection, rather than perception, but I'm not sure if that is a total explanation.

How does it explain the heightened reaction time that can take place within the event itself? It seems that sometimes people are able to do things in a way that bypasses the normal decision making process. This is from the comment section of your link:

I could see the shattered windshield pieces of glass floating through the air and dodge between them. It seemed as if the glass was moving in slow motion. My perception does not appear to agree with the "falling and monitoring the wrist" experiment. Why?

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11/27/2011 12:53 PM

Fight or Flight instinct perhaps?

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11/27/2011 1:17 PM

I'm thinking that maybe the, (observable), frames per second, or the equivalent in humans, goes way beyond normal. Some people seem to be able to tap into it at will, while others require a traumatic event. It's quite prevalent in sports. I can't explain the dreams in my case, but as we continue to unravel the workings of the brain itself, consiousness still remains much of a mystery.

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11/27/2011 2:28 PM

I like that explanation! I once had a wood splitting wedge bounce out of a wet piece of oak and hit me sharp edge first in the upper lip. I definitely had the perception of seeing that wedge in slow motion before it hit me. As I recall, it took nine stitches to pull my lip back in shape, so it was no dream, but the memory was certainly vivid!

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11/27/2011 11:27 AM

Many small, almost ignorable happenings....

One of my friends migrated to the USA after college and none of us heard from him for 20 years..some six of us, his classmates, were all at the same place when the phone rang....i blurted out, without any conscious feeling that i was talking, that long-forgotten friend's name...you know the rest. He was on line, wanting to brag about his successes in El Dollarado etc, etc. We were of course jealous, and didn't meet him, but that premonition stays with me.

Many other pleasant things have come true too...too personal to share

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11/27/2011 11:34 AM

Come to think of it, I've had similar experiences. Find myself thinking about a particular person, have the phone ring.................and it's the person I was thinking about.

That's a good one. It's amazing that you all just happened to be together when he decided to call. Thanks for sharing.

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11/27/2011 2:16 PM

When my wife and I got married (40+ years ago), a couple who could not attend the wedding nor reception sent us some money, indicating it was to be used to buy an electric frying pan. As newlyweds, we had other more urgent needs for the money at the time. Several years later, I suddenly remembered that we had not yet gotten that pan, and said to my wife: "We really need to get that electric frying pan". We live in California, and the very next day we got a call from that couple in Colorado. We had not heard from them in the interim. If it wasn't long-distance mental telepathy, then I have no idea...

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11/27/2011 1:42 PM

I am totally freaked out by spiders. A few years ago I was sitting at my bar having lunch. I was the only person in the house and everything was silent. Suddenly, the hair on the back of my neck stood up and I felt an extreme chill. I looked straight up above me and there was a huge brown recluse on the ceiling exactly above my head. I have always wondered why I seemed to know it was there before I saw it.

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11/27/2011 1:53 PM

Because we remember the improbable coincidences and we don't even notice the mundane.

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11/27/2011 3:26 PM

Oooh, "Spidey Sense". Peter Parker had loads of it.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=spidey%20sense

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11/27/2011 2:26 PM

I hesitate to do this, having been criticized more than once, but you were brave enough, so I shall be. I have seen several things that science can't explain, most of them after prayers, but we won't go there - I have others.

My older sister who had got married and moved away was back for a visit. We were talking at the kitchen table. I said "It's for you."

She said "What's for me? I replied "The phone"

"The phone?" she queried, which then rang. It was for her.

Also in High School I worked at the cafeteria, taking the lunch money. I had to leave 5 minutes early to beat the 'mob' that would crowd the hallways. I didn't wear a watch. Sometimes Mr. Newby would say when to leave, but usually I knew when to get up. One day I got up about 20 minutes before the class ended. Mt=r. Newby said "Where are you going?" I said "The bell rings in 5 minutes." He said "No it doesn't, sit down." Reluctantly I sat down. As predicted, the bell rang, then the principle's voice came over the intercom saying something like "Due to the ball game, the basketball players need to eat 15 minutes early." Mr. Newby said "OK, you can go."

Nothing like this has happened since, but one of my sons says he has dreamed the future many time.

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11/27/2011 3:13 PM

Those are good ones. I think the power of prayer and meditation are very real, although the results are inexplicable by any scientific measure. Best to keep it along these lines though. People get riled up by religious references and it usually turns into an argument.

I haven't told my story to a lot of people, (well I guess I have now), for the same reasons. I don't feel like going through the hassle of being told that I'm full of BS. I'll tell the falling part, and leave the dreams out.

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11/27/2011 3:38 PM

There is a book by Arthur Koestler titled "The Roots of Coincidence" published in 1973. I have to admit that I never read it, but did read some extracts and articles about it many years ago. Some of the examples of coincidences related are quite beyond belief, yet did occur. If you look at Amazon.com you will see a summary and a few reviews of the book. It sounds like some of us CR4 members ought to take a look at it. I know that many people have experienced strange coincidences that seem extremely improbably, yet are not that infrequent. Is there an explanation? Does there even need to be one?

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11/27/2011 5:12 PM

Premonitions are not uncommon, but when you tell em, people generally explain em away. So instead I'm going to tell you something physical that happened in front of witnesses, and none of us could find an explanation.

I was in France visiting friends of a friend, I went for a drive with two of them and we ended up visiting a small town where we stopped at a restaurant for coffee.

We were sitting at our table in this busy restaurant, and the other two were deep in conversation. There was a large ashtray in the middle of the table, and it suddenly moved toward me. It didn't slide or glide slowly, it sort of jumped forward about a centimeter. And then again. When I saw it a third time, I interrupted my companions and pointed out - this ashtray is moving on its own. They looked at me totally askance, looked at the ashtray ... so I spoke to the ashtray and said, come on, do it one more time. Sure enough, it jumped again. Well, the underside of the table was quickly checked - it was anchored to the floor by a steel pole in the center. The sides of the table were grabbed and we attempted to budge it - not a quiver. We couldn't get the table or the ashtray to move. So I spoke to it again: come on, just a little more... a little more... and it jumped forward as before, eight or nine times, until it had pretty well crossed the table and was sitting in front of me. All the while my two skeptics were looking at me, checking under the table, trying to shake it - we could not find any physical cause or explanation.

Now, I've learned enough about wierd and high technology since then, to know that there are really ways of producing that sort of effect from afar. But it seems completely unlikely that anyone would be set up to do such a thing in the restaurant.. for what? And at what cost, for nothing?

Or perhaps there is some more mundane explanation that someone knows of here on CR4.

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11/27/2011 5:19 PM

Wow!!

I've got another one that I'm hesitant to post. It kind of flies in the face of everything I was taught. I know I'm going to post it. Not just yet though.

Have you ever been able to repeat anything similar?

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11/27/2011 5:27 PM

To repeat anything similar.... Sorry, that causality is a complete illusion... I begged the thing to move just for dramatic effect - I had nothing to do with the motion.

I could tell a few other stories, though, that would make your hair stand on end. The wierdness I've seen... humph. Usually no witnesses though.

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11/27/2011 6:04 PM

Maybe we'll be able to coax a few more out of you.

I'm not embarrassed to share my other story, it's just difficult to adequately put it into words that can express how powerful the moment was.

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11/27/2011 7:27 PM

That reminds me of similar telakinetic like occurrences that I have that happen to me every now and then.

If I see something traveling toward me at a reasonably high speed and I wince like I know its going to hit me things tend to take off in odd directions most times. I have had others witness it a few time too.

Once in high school a baseball got thrown the wrong direction and was headed right at me, I winced because I was sure it was going to hit me in the head and just like that it sharply curved off less than two feet from my head and with multiple witnesses to its peculiar mid flight tragectory change too!

Every time I have had the occurrence I always feel like I physically pushed the object away from me even though I never touched it.

The phone things are a regular occurance for me too.

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11/28/2011 4:26 AM

Did any of you check the next series of the French version of "You've Been Framed" or similar? Perhaps in France they don't don't do the reveal to the patsies....?

Or it might have been something else...

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11/27/2011 8:20 PM

I hadn't thought of this one in years.

I am not a Catholic. Back in 1978 I had a vivid dream that recently installed Pope John Paul I had died. It was so real I even told my wife about it -- that I dreamt the pope had died and that the Catholics were going to have to go through the whole process all over again to elect a new pope.

The very next morning I picked up the paper and the headline was that Pope John Paul I had died. That was freaky. I was almost shaking when I told my wife, 'You aren't going to believe this..."

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11/28/2011 5:04 AM

So far, no-one has mentioned ghosts.

We had a ghost in the house (built c. 1930) in which I grew up. She was a nice ghost - Mum saw her in her rocking chair, and I used to smell her baking. Those who read my "smelling babies" tale on the previous thread will spot a theme!

The most recent ghost I experienced was in the house in which I currently live. For the first couple of years I was there, many a time when I opened a particular cupboard in the kitchen where I kept the cat food, I was aware of someone looking over my shoulder. I would always look to see who it was to tell them off, but as I live alone, there was no-one there. Funny thing is, I know that he was about 5'6" and had dark hair and was about 9st7 - 10 st (quick cals: 133 - 140 lbs): in fact a lot like my Dad. It took me a while to remember I had this visitor, and eventually I stopped looking and instead sent welcoming thoughts.

On one of my parents' visits, Mum and I were getting something from the cupboard when simultaneously we turned round to tell my Dad (poor man!) to stop poking his nose in. I was only mildly annoyed, my Mum projected much stronger feelings. As usual, there was no-one there. I smiled, and then Mum looked at me and said "You saw him too." I told her he was a resident and I'd often seen him. We didn't say much more as my little nieces were around.

Some time later, I was talking to my next door neighbour who had been to see a spiritualist/medium at a public event. I listen with skeptism - I believe there's another world we don't see, I don't believe those who make money out of it.

The medium (for want of a better term) had picked out my neighbour and told her about a visitor in her house. My neighbour confirmed that there was a presence in her kitchen/dining room doorway: the dogs would look there a lot and the cats never stopped in the doorway. The tale she later uncovered (I can't vouch for this) is that where our houses are used to be a workshop.

The sad part of the story is that ever since my Mum saw him, he's never been back to my house.

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11/28/2011 7:11 AM

My neighbors live in a house that is well over 100 years old, and seemingly have ghosts. The most common one is a girl of about 13 years old, and young children appear to much more receptive to her presence than adults. It's not something I've ever experienced, but their son, now in his 20s, was raised in the house, and claims he saw her on a regular basis as he was growing up.

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11/28/2011 7:42 AM

When my parents were looking for houses they arrived at one for an arranged viewing at house at the other end of the village from the one in which I grew up that the eventually bought. Dad parked outside. Mum refused to get out of the car, saying she wasn't going into that house.

Some time after they moved in, Mum was talking to a long time village resident who, not knowing that she'd (not) looked at buying the house, told her that the previous owner had hanged themselves in the stairwell.

Mum did a similar thing at a stately home. We were on holiday, drove up and parked and Mum refused to get out of the car. we went and did something else that day. A while later, my cousin was showing Mum her holiday snaps. Mum recognised the stately home...and my cousin took great delight in telling us about the daughter of the house who, in the 1400s I think) threw herself off the landing and died just inside the door rather than marry the man arranged for her.

Mum's been in other houses where terrible things have happened - it only seems to be the ones where people have died violently at the threshold that freak her from outside.

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11/28/2011 7:46 AM

Yet another about my Mum and me...

A few years ago, we visited The Old Hall near where I now live. It's all mod-cons now and we each had an audio guide, I was a little behind my Mum, and had my elder neice with me.

Half way up the stairs and just before the audio guide got to the point, I thought, and then said to my niece, "There's a blocked up door that's been uncovered and Nanna will see someone going through it."

There was, she did and I saw, heard and smelt nothing!

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11/28/2011 10:15 AM

The question of 'ghosts' is open to speculation, since the cause of these sightings is not known. Of course there is the school of thought that it's all in the person's head, and people who see such things or believe in ghosts are nuts (=bonkers). However, as your stories point out, in many cases the perception is in fact correlated with a historical event or person, of which there was no prior knowledge. This leads me to speculate that there is a physical explanation, of which we are presently ignorant.

One speculation that I have entertained, is that a record of past actions or events could be made at the level of 'standing energy' and remain in the physical place in question. When you consider that the capacity of silver ions to capture an authentic image has only been discovered in recent history, this isn't as far fetched as it might seem.

It is our defined senses that mediate our perception of the world in the way that we do. Science has permitted us to extend the boundaries of knowledge, and to be aware that there is much going on around us on the level of particles and energy which we do not perceive directly with the five senses. The equipment involved in detecting and documenting such things is found in labs, not in haunted houses.

It also makes sense, for practical survival as an animal, that our brains are designed to focus on present events and physical things, and to ignore what is not present and physical in the common sense, although the poorly defined "sixth sense" does perceive it in one way or another (if only as 'liking' or 'disliking' a place). The perception of 'ghosts', semi-authentic or true images of a past person or event, can be explained as a form of synesthesia which transcends that boundary (or taboo) of perception, in cases where the 'energetic record' is very strong. If you think of movies as an analogy, could the replay of a past event in energetic terms, be sufficient to explain physical phenomena associated with some 'hauntings'? Or is there a genuine basis for the belief that a disembodied consciousness and intentionality is involved in these unexplained manifestations?

Schroedinger's collapsing wave of probability is, in some sense, proof or at least a theoretical basis for the belief that consciousness or awareness has an energetic existence which is measurable and has an interaction with physical matter at a scale which we do not ordinarily perceive. 'Life' and 'awareness' are certainly real, and constitute an energy status which has yet to be comprehended or defined by science, and cannot be reduced or reproduced as chemical reactions.

We can only reason, and rule out those speculations which can be firmly disproven on the basis of what is known.

It seems to me, that if awareness is reduced to dust upon death, as some people believe, then it should be measurable as weight gain in the dead animal as compared with the living. An energy value for awareness would thereby be calculable if this is the case. If there is no increase in mass upon death, then the energy of awareness must continue to exist as energy. Is this reasoning sound?

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11/28/2011 11:33 AM

Well, the ghost hunters are at work, they're just busy chasing down more interesting ghosts than lost blobs of human energy. Exposing things that were unknown, in the process.

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/03/god-particle/achenbach-text

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11/29/2011 5:25 AM

A good scope document!

On the intentionality point.

I was visiting a local castle, that in the 1800s was used as a prison. I was climbing the steep, very wide steps up to the top of the tower and watching the people in front of me. Of these a family on Mum, Dad and son aged about 4 caught my attention. Mum had marched straight up and into the grassed area at the top. Dad was a little ahead of son who was doing a good job of climbing.

As we neared the top, the thought struck me that if the little boy fell, he'd got all the way to the bottom and could be badly hurt, so I moved laterally so that I was directly below him and, whilst still climbing, was ready to brace myself to break his fall. All this seemed very logical. As his Dad reached the top step, the boy was about 4 steps down and suddenly, Dad turned, stepped down and caught hold of the boy's hand, helping him the last few steps...and I let our a breath I hadn't realised I was holding and wondered why I'd been so sure he'd fall.

Once up in the grassed area, which was both the execution ground and burial plot, I heard a guide telling a group abot one of the inmates who had been executed for murdering her toddler son and whose ghost was reported to have attempted to push little boys down the steps.

There does seem to be a "memory in stones". Is that why we engrave them, to lock the memory in?

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11/28/2011 7:47 AM

Okay, here it goes. I don't know if words can relay the strangeness of the experience, but I'll try.

I was working out of town with a coworker of mine. It was a large job, and the company had a trailer in a trailer park rented for us to stay in. We had become acquainted with a few of the neighbors in the park, and were invited to an outdoor party that one of them was having on Friday night.

We walked down to the party. There were about 50 people there and we didn't know any of them but the couple that were hosting, so we kind of hung out on the outer edge of the crowd and perused the situation.

Within just a minute or two, I felt a familiar presence there, and started making my way into the crowd, heading to the other side. From the other side, walking towards me was a young lady I had never met or laid eyes on before. We walked directly to each other, gave each other a hug, exchanged pleasantries for less than a minute, and went our separate ways.

Somehow we knew each other in a way that was both timeless, non gender specific, and well beyond normal human existence. While on that other level, we told each other that it was nice to meet again, and there was no doubt or worry that our paths would cross again. On a human level, both of us were more than a little flustered...................as in, "What the heck just happened?

Anyway, that was well over 20 years ago, and to this day I have no doubt that we will meet again. Probably not in this life, but that doesn't matter. Our connection exists in a place where time does not exist.

Do I think that humans exist on another plane as pure consciousness? Yep.

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11/28/2011 7:55 AM

How wonderful! I've dreamt of that happening. Have you read Paulo Coelho's book Brida? Something similar happens there.

Hmmmm...his website has gone very commercial...

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11/28/2011 7:50 AM

Ok - last one for now...and a non-ghosty one!

I have a small, but mildly useful talent. As long as I don't concentrate too hard, I know when traffic lights are about to change.

I was driving Mum around my old home city and we were chatting. After about half/three-quarters of an hour she says, "How do you do that?"

"Do what?" quoth I.

"Every traffic light we've stopped at, you've put it into gear before the lights changed!"

"Oh that. I can hear them."

If I stop in gear, then I usually pull it our of gear just before they change...

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11/29/2011 12:23 AM

Used to have premonitions, odd feelings that came true, had a really really bad experience with the results of mom playing with a ouija board. Actively turned it ALL off after that, thanks but no.

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11/29/2011 6:55 AM

Me too. I found out that there's stuff out there that I don't understand, and I don't mess around with any of it.

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11/28/2011 8:23 AM

Here is another strange thing I have noticed thatI can do. I can see the heat that people and objects give off if its completely dark.

Years ago as a kid my family like to take sumer vacations for two weeks out of every summer. One thing we always did was visit any caves that were open to tourists in any place we went. At every cave they do this thing where they turn off all the lights for a few minutes so everyone can see how dark it really is.

The strange thing is for me I could always still see the people once my eyes adjusted. Most everyone gives off this very faint silver grey glow. I can perceive it well enough most times to even walk around the crowd without bumping into anyone as well. I was in Branson Missouri a few years ago and we visited the Marvel cave there and sure enough just like when I was a kid I could still see the people standing close to me well enough to walk slowly around them.

I have also noticed that when its very dark outside at night that I can see the heat coming off of vehicle engines and machinery that has just been run as well. Same silver grey glow again.

I have assumed that I have a low level thermal IR sensitivity in my eyes and have allways wondered how many other people are aware of having the same or similar abilitys.

Or as I said earlier maybe I am just a little nuts too.

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11/28/2011 8:42 AM

I think everyone possesses latent abilities, that, although they can't be explained by any scientific method, are as natural as breathing, and are stronger in some more than others.

Probably the reason a lot of people don't have any of these experiences, or don't notice them when they occur, is due to the buildup of mental pollution and stress that comes with living everyday life.

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are your eyes a light color? blue?

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01/13/2014 6:14 AM

My friends wife and her 2 brothers all have synesthesia. It's usually stronger in women than men. She associates many words with colors, which she sees when the word is mentioned. Everyday of the week is associated with a different color, as are months. She also often sees auras around people and can tell how they are feeling. She never makes a big deal out of it, having had it all her life. As a child she had no idea that everyone else didn't perceive things in the same way. Many well know people have experienced synesthesia and it takes different forms. Perhaps "tcmtech" has synesthesia?

There's a good write-up in Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synesthesia

P.S. My friend Karin is brilliant at crossword puzzles!

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11/28/2011 8:58 AM

For the naysayers. For some reason these things are not lost on the government. Lots more on the internet about this.

Hundreds of millions have been spent.

Personally, I think that the reason behind the published, less than stellar, experiments, is that these abilities seem to not work so well when they are attempted to be forced, but rather are more spontaneous.

I wonder if they would tell us about the really successful experiments? Doubt it.

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11/28/2011 12:30 PM

Seriously, kramarat: Is there anything in your own experience or knowledge that would lead you to believe that 'paranormal' activity could be used as a weapon?

Afaict, there's no chance of an individual using such a thing - as you point out, in general spontaneous or involuntary 'wierd' and not controlled, random, unprovable or inconclusive rare events - as a weapon!, much less for a government to find ways to use it as such. This is the stuff of fiction only.

The fact that there are still superstitious people who believe 'witches' can harm them or use 'paranormal' talents as a weapon, is what I find scary, not witches themselves.

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11/28/2011 12:46 PM

Well it has been apparent for many years that many politicians and government types seem to think that if they saw it on TV it must be real.

I am sure this has had many a war mongering government half wit up all night dreaming over the possibilies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWK31V_ROTg

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11/28/2011 1:08 PM

Most of the work within the government seems to have been with remote viewing, which would have been helpful for spying, but not as a weapon, per se.

The first link in post #39 addresses governments potential use of weapons to disrupt the normal electromagnetic flow within the human brain, as well as other techniques.

No, I don't think a person could use any particular ability effectively enough to be considered a weapon. As I think the government found out, these abilities are generally random, sporadic, unreliable, and don't tend to work well if they are trying to be forced.

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11/28/2011 1:32 PM

The tech in your link would be useful for hoaxes, but there's nothing genuinely paranormal in it. There's plenty of updated tech like this to mess with the brain in the ordinary neuroscience. But like these dated references, it does not amount to any kind of psychic or paranormal technology. Which afaik with a big dose of certainty, does not exist! Whatsoever.

As for the 'remote viewing' research, I am not alone in the opinion that a certain former president of the USA would have been better off with a crystal ball, than whatever he did use to get his intel. On that basis alone, I think it's safe to conclude they got nothing for their 'remote viewing' efforts but to confirm that it couldn't be done.

But of course, people who can't, can still suspect others of doing it! If their religious leaders stir up enough paranoid delusions.

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11/28/2011 1:56 PM

Yeah, tcm has a point though. If the government ever thought they could conjure up an army of ghosts to go spy, or whatever, they'd be spending money on it.

If we consider the human psyche to be something that is responsible for paranormal activity, emits an electromagnetic field, and that it can exist independently of the body, at least one congressman thinks that weapons could be deployed to alter it.

through the use of land-based, sea- based, or space-based systems using radiation, electromagnetic, psychotronic, sonic, laser, or other energies directed at individual persons or targeted populations for the purpose of information war, mood management, or mind control of such persons or populations

I'm probably getting in over my head here though.

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11/28/2011 5:44 PM

It seems that the congressman wanted a catch-all ban on directed energy weapons both real and imaginary, which could hypothetically affect the brain.

The truth is though, afaik any of the named technologies on that list would require such massive and cumbersome installations that the activity would be impossible to carry out covertly. You'd be pointing at the thing and running like ants to get out of the way your guns!

Sonic weapons and lasers (other than those that cause physical burn damage) are not feasible as a sneaky behavior control weapon. The laws of physics require them to be huge. "Psychotronic" I think is basically the same as sonic weapons (if it works at all), but relying on resonance of objects or bodies to cause damage. Electromagnets are also huge - while I don't have the figures, I'm pretty sure an expert would back me up, that anything big enough to target a person or population from a distance with enough power to affect the brain would be extremely conspicuous. From satellite distance all of these weapons are impossible, so forget about that.

A "big beam" weapon of this type, besides being physically conspicuous, would have a limited ability to discriminate a target - everyone in the beam would be equally affected at an equal distance from the source, with the worst effects closest to the source. So you would have milder effects as you moved away from a land based weapon and intense effects = serious physical illness, in close proximity. Not a great recipe for subtle mood management, you'd have an odd mix of "moods" (say, numb, puking, or dead). Crowd control, maybe. Mind control? Not so simple.

The energy cost of weapons of this ilk would also be astronomical.

So I think, anyone who believes this could be happening without our knowledge or is really feasible to be used in this manner, has been deceived or is ignorant of the practical limits of the directed energy technologies.

There are less expensive and more effective means of messing with your brain or nervous system.

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11/29/2011 6:52 AM

I know I'm out on a limb here. But I find it a little odd that the government funded paranormal research for 30 years before, (supposedly), abandoning it. That's a long time to spend on something that showed no merit.

The second link above talks about the Chi (Qi), which is our psychic energy, and the ability of some to harness it in the discipline of martial arts. I've seen shows on it, and apparently it's the ability to harness this energy which prevents them from smashing their hands when smashing a pile of concrete blocks.

I've never heard of a psychotronic weapon until I read that link. I'm only guessing, but it may be something that could disrupt that energy. And, as always, I assume that the government knows a lot more about a lot of things than what is released to the public.

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11/29/2011 3:45 PM

I'm totally onboard with the chi/ki. Aikido and tai chi, my favourite martial arts. Once learned, they stay with you forever. But this would be a good thing for the govt to impart to the soldiers since it brings inner peace and balance - and I can't imagine it would be considered as an evil sneaky weapon.. what's wrong with me you might ask - you know I've seen it in the kung fu movies, so why can't I imagine it... I just can't. Maybe I have a deficiency of some kind.

I certainly don't know anything about your government's research on the paranormal. So I guess I'll butt out, and admit it's a mystery! Spoooooky in itself.

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11/29/2011 5:14 PM

Nevermind. It's only been described since 1500-1000 BC., but modern science has rejected it's existence...............so that's it then. No such thing. Next.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qi

Maybe some day.

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11/29/2011 6:07 PM

Ya, ya, trust the chinese to come up with actual properties and principles for "life energy" which according to science doesn't exist.

I have truckloads of chi, personally. It's a fine thing, considering it doesn't exist.

As for "next", you must be reading my mind. or at least, tracking my internet searches.

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11/29/2011 7:21 AM

Have read / heard Simon Bovey's "Voice of God"?

If it's broadcast again, I'll try to remember to give a heads up.

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11/29/2011 7:33 AM

Yea, I know, but just in case, I am still wearing my foil helmet.

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11/29/2011 3:25 PM

I only wear mine for the surveillance camera, on days when I'm severely beaten. Except when I'm sleeping of course, since I don't want to wake up stupid... again!

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11/30/2011 7:46 AM

I always let him sleep, too.

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Hey!

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11/28/2011 6:09 PM

You're ready for a Mega-Soma-Coma.

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11/29/2011 6:00 AM

You don't think I'm scary?

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Are you kidding? I'd be pleased if you catch me when I fall.

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11/30/2011 7:45 AM

Putting my mind to that now....

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11/28/2011 9:34 AM

Then there are these. No reasonable or scientific explanation available.................and yet, they're here.

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11/28/2011 12:01 PM

When younger, before marriage, when riding around in cars with friends, one friend in particular seemed to be receptive to my mental suggestions of where to drive to. In time I began to think that this was because the list of possible places was small, and it was just chance. To test for this, I would try to think of stranger and stranger places to will him to drive to. Forty years later, he has passed away, and I will never know the answer. It has never worked with any other person that I tried to push thoughts to, not even my wife of 40 years. (her birthday is today)

Has logic and reasoning caused humans to out think animal instincts? Has the evolution of the human mind made older instincts obsolete?

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11/28/2011 12:24 PM

Interesting. We've all heard of a psychic connection between twins. I don't see why it couldn't exist between others.

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11/29/2011 7:04 AM

If anyone can find anything that looks like genuine scientific inquiry into these phenomena, feel free to post it.

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11/29/2011 9:04 PM

Back in High School I heard of some girls getting scared out of their minds by an Oija board. All I remember is that they said it stopped working when a priest came around.

ER reminded me of some more that I can tell. When my wife & I got our first house we brought her beautiful white dog from her mother's house in another town about 10 miles away. We kept him in the garage at night, and in the morning he would sniff under the door and scratch to get let in. One day he got ran over by a car on the highway, and I buried him in the ground on some vacant land near by. A couple days later we were in the garden, and came in the back door. Neither of us was thinking about the dog then. We both heard the familiar sniff under the garage door. I opened the door, but there was nothing (visible) there. It never happened again. Her mom had another dog, but it got depressed as soon as the white one died, and wouldn't eat. It died about a week later.

We had some older neighbors across the street which needed their sidewalk shoveled when it snowed. I helped out there. They invited us over to play games at times and we became friends. One Saturday morning we woke up hearing the clothes dryer running at the other end of the house. I asked my wife if she had got up and put clothes in there. She said no. I went and opened the dryer, and it was empty. It was set for heat, but was cool to the touch, inside and out. I concluded that it had just been turned on. Later that day we found out the man across the street had passed away during the night. That always seemed like a strange way to say goodby, but it's the only theory I have.

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11/30/2011 6:12 AM

There's absolutely nothing good to say about Ouija boards, except to leave them alone.

I've seen and read many accounts of pets seeming to have some kind of psychic abilities. You know the ones.................everything from finding their way home from halfway across the country, warning their owners of an impending heart attack or stroke.....................just all kinds of stories.

My Mother used to break out in hives when she was real upset..................usually because of me. She died when I was 17. Anyway, I've never had hives at all in my entire life..........except once. It was the day after my Father died, about 4 years ago. I had large hives all over me for a day.........................I've never had them since.

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