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Walmart in India Will Now be International

11/26/2011 6:52 PM

With Government of India approval to allow Walmart major investment in 51 cities of India, face look of city business bound to change now. It will also let many people from abroad to find reasonably easy job in India in somewhat familiar environment.

Indian agricukture industry is badly managed and with Walmart entry scope for agriculture business, cols storages, agriculture warehouses and agriculture food transportation will also become much better.

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11/26/2011 7:04 PM

Oh, My!

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11/26/2011 8:18 PM

How long until Costco shows up?

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11/27/2011 6:55 AM

Just moving in and in very short time.

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11/27/2011 3:15 AM

face look of city business bound to change now

I agree that the business face would change but is it for better or worse is the question.

It will also let many people from abroad to find reasonably easy job in India in somewhat familiar environment.

let us be frank, how many of the persons from abroad would come? How many came with Coke? pepsi? McDonalds? KFC? there are two questions - would they like to come most assuredly no. Why should they? Just for an example, my salary in USD comes out to be about $4,000 per month. I consider myself to be on the upper levels of the usual engineering industries (non software). But in US that is may be on middle group of management position. What you would expect those in walmart to be getting? Though it would be enough to stay in India, in relative luxury, but when they take it home what would be their worth?

This is the real reason of brain drain. From India to US. It is not the working condition or other things as it seems from your posts. You seem to be too much disenchanted with your country for whatever may be the reason. I too have travelled abroad usually EU contries (Except US of course where I am about to go within a few months for a week on an official trip to help a supplier to deliver to our quality requirement that are not being met). But their representatives have come when the items were rejected at our place and i din't find the difference that you hint in your previous posts.

I accept that we are bad, but not as thoroughly as you believe and in certain aspects we are better too. And that is not only my belief, but my observation too, and that could be corroborated by industries else why would they take the persons from India and employ? to spoil their work atmosphere?.

Now as far as Walmart is concerned or any other can you plese explain how would they generate employment? By encouraging to convert small badly managed village farms into larger farms? By GE crops (Which had been seen with doubt by all except human guinea-pigs?) ? Your language had been exactly what our honourable ministers told while welcoming but is it true?

Every thing had pros and cons. Buying from a super market (better managed ones) Vs buing in a neighbour shop makes me lose a few percentage even though both sell below MRP printed. Which adds up substantially from my monthly bill. That though may be some $10 per month in USD but in INR it is substantial. In case you want, try the same quality Rice or Wheat from the supermarket chain you consider the best and then try it in a grocery shop and see. I will not take into consideration the vegetables.

I go to supermarkets to buy things that to be bought with plastic cards or something that is not available in local shops, but for others I prefer the local shops. Fortunately which are surviving despite the supermarkets because? Their sources are not dried up. With the flooding of the supermarkets the problem won't be their capacity to sell it would be their capacity to get the inputs which would be cornered by the powerful.

let us not go for what the politicians say but think it from a practical socio-cultural aspect. Adn as we say in our enginering industry- attack the root caus, since a machine is not giving the performance, don't declare it a waste, find the root cause and eliminate. It might as well be a simple hydraulicline supply problem.

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11/27/2011 6:54 AM

Organized warehousing and sale in larger scale is something that cities only can afford and people save their time in shopping. We have to see how they will look into requirements of Indians and as well that of our visitors from abroad.

All this is going to happen soon and both Indians and those will move business here will learn from each other.

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11/27/2011 7:39 AM

Too bad. I had really wanted to visit India some day as one of the last unspoiled vestiges on this planet.

Walmart is unusual , to say the least. I think it comes with its own set of people. We call them Wal-Martians here:

We think it must be the special atmosphere, because you never see these creatures anywhere else:

This one looks liek one Wal-Martian eat another one:

The female Chewbacca of the species - but it may not be:

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11/27/2011 7:59 AM

Larger shopping complexes with most common items at one place are excellent for women as they don't have to travel to many places. Street shops still exit and they do their own kind of business.

Original Indian civilization is no longer sustainable and is not protected. Poverty exists by itself is only thing that looks like India in original shape. Small business was killed long ago by British as they wanted machine mabed product business in India. There is still lot that will remain as such in corners of India. In any way civilizations are not preserved for visitors, but they exist as long as they provide survival for locals.

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11/27/2011 10:41 AM

Well, the shelves should stay full. The Chinese imports are right next door....................we have to get them by freighter.

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11/27/2011 11:01 AM

It is much easier to question sub-standard items in larger business than the same being sold on road side. Once anything bad is questioned and found something wrong then there will be lock on the business very immediately and person dealing with may end up in jail.

There are already lots of stories about sub standard goods from China and also from India and other sources. Samples sure will reach our research labs and they will tell everything in public. Remember that cold drinks were found with detergents and pesticides. Indian market is not easy to be cheated in larger shops and when their number can be counted on fingers and locations well known.

Obviously good items from all countries will be welcomed. I think they will sell 50% local products.

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11/27/2011 11:08 AM

It should be interesting. Dangerous or defecive items aren't allowed here either. Walmart is pretty well known for items that are low priced and adequate, but not necessarily high quality. I shop there all the time, since for me, adequate is usually good enough.

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11/27/2011 9:38 PM

Right now 51 outlets are planned and among them 36 may start working in 2012 and another 15 after some delay and protests or those may also move into other cities.

Organized sale in India has greater chance as India population is high. Shops can be owned by small business people as well and of different brand names. In India people are not shopping mad and often shop for festival or purpose and are very much pocket and quality conscious. They have seen street prices and quality products and can look for what they need.

80% of India population is poor and most of them may never reach to these stores. 19.999% middle class living in cities for jobs will sure find place there. Remaining 0.001% are money grabbers Swiss Bank account holders and they do not shop in India and they prefer to fly abroad and do their shopping there as no one knows them there. They also have 80% of countries money in black. Perhaps they will invest their black money in India indirectly.

I think Walmart will provide jobs to 1 million people in India if they are set up as per plan. More immolated big shop will also come up. Idea percolates itself.

India will also affect the business in neighbouring countries and there is a much greater chance of interaction. Working class people near poverty level will find some hope as their products may get exposed at higher price than the street floor price.

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11/27/2011 10:22 PM

Remember that cold drinks were found with detergents and pesticides

What finally happened to that? As I remember it was proved that the few labs where it was initially found and where it was later cross-checked were against civilisation (read big-businesses) and all is clear signal was given.

Let us not live in paradise but on practical earth.

You talk about women? let me talk about my wife. She prefers the local shops despite the size of my pay-packet since that saves the money and she is able to bargain. A lot of women (and men too) love to do it.

When you go to supermarket ow many things you buy that are not needed, attracted by the packaging of the product and the store? When you go to a so called road-side shop you go with a list.

And as far as the Indian Civilisation is there ,the concept and the pith of it, it would sustain (In fact it is growing in the places you seem be enamored about)

The problem here is the persons who seemed to condemn it without knowing it why they are condemning. can you please come out with the specific points why you seem to say thet the Indian (or for that matter any specific) civilisation can not sustain?

The civilisations are not isolated. They are gaseous and diffuse with the ones they come in contact with. The membrane that separates those have to decide whether the thing that is passed through is fragrance or stink. This membrane is the human beings that form the civilisation, especially the ones that are the more mature ones, the shapers of the young mentality.

Unfortunately in India we have a lot of these membrane had made up in their mind that what is inside is the stink and what is outside is all rose garden (minus the thorns).

Find what is good inside and strengthen them and then absorb what is good outside. I have seen a number of people saying 'here everything is bad' but what I have done to correct it?

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11/27/2011 10:36 PM

Exposure of quality had great impact and business was almost finished and obviously most of the companies took seriously and improved upon their quality. Sale of cold drinks have dropped seriously even to this day and business is badly affected.

Lots of Bacterial infection comes from over stored cold drinks and often gets related to bird flue. You never know the type of cold drink you get in India so better to keep off and ask for coffee or tea which is hot and less likely to be affected by living Bacteria.

While large number of Indian population might have developed immunity, Bacterial infection may still remain a serious problem for visitors. Remain careful and enjoy hot tea and hot food.

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11/28/2011 5:57 AM

But what will happen when Walmart opens in China? Will they stock their shelves with substandard products from some other country? Surely the Chinese will not stand for the products sold here in America.

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11/28/2011 6:12 AM

India Government perhaps will go back on this decision in few days as there is country wide opposition against Walmart direct FDI by all opposition parties and ruling party alone can't run the country by force.

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11/28/2011 11:15 AM

ruling party alone can't run the country by force.

Do you now get the meaning of it? The walmart or whatever it is has a opposition from the public, except the white collared- The opposition here always grab the local sentiments which unfortunately the current ruling party could never gauge and that had been proved again and again. Not going into the politics (it is actually not poitics here it is more of an economics).

The country that is over populated and has a cheap labour, it is not the large industries/ chains/ conglomerates that generate employment. They kill it. It is the small industries. Only thing that is to be doe is to make them viable and efficient. For that the state machinery could have helped but they have better things to do. Instead of that look at certain pockets where some social workers have made these machinery of inefficient civilisation, non-viable, successful.

Look at the Hazare,s work or organic farmings- no pesticides, no chemical fertilisers, at Vidharbha (perennial drought prone area) and Rajasthan (desert). And the coopertives of Amul?

let me again repeat, no civilisation is bad or outlived its time, since it is dynamic. It becomes bad and outdated when it either becomes stationery or even worse loses its good things and grabs the bad things from other civilisations instead of otherway round. And unfortunately Indian Civilisation is doing exactly that.

Anyway it was good that there was opposition. No I am not against walmart or KFC or McDonalds in fact I am against the begging and welcoming for FDI. Create an environment where the wanted FDI would flow. Any company would like to do business provided it is conductive isn't it? But the occupant, though not the owner, must decide what it wants at its home whether it suits the house plan or not. Finally however one must think the whole earth as their home, the boundaries of continents and countries are man made and don't really exist at least shouldn't. But then that is a dream and even here I see certain country specific remarks.

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11/28/2011 9:15 AM

I think you meant to say "Surely the Chinese will not stand for the products they sell here in America"

I will not get started on the $hi* that is marketed and sold here with generic American sounding names only to buy it, get it home, and discover the product is garbage.

You make a very good point - GA

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12/02/2011 8:20 AM

Thanks!

I was recently at a local Walmart when a busload of Chinese came in (from Chinatown, NY). I watched as most turned away and walked to Target in the next strip mall. I asked the bus driver what was going on and she told me that they will not buy the crap sold in Walmart. They will only buy some of the fresh veggies but very little else.

I guess a little inside information goes a long way.

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12/02/2011 9:12 AM

When politicians are cheaper than crap Chinese goods then you will see Walmart in your Country. There are more problems and Walmart is a part of deliberate mismanagement for personal gain. Political parties get billion dollars and sure it does not come from middle class public but from large crap sellers with shining show and lots of advertisements.

In India a lot of political game plan is going on right now and ruling government has not take opposition or allies into confidence and brought this back door policy of Direct Foreign Investment into Walmart.

Picture is more clear now and soon scam will be visible to all.

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12/02/2011 11:23 AM

In the US Walmart is simply a political target that is used to get voters excited about voting some political party line - nothing more.

The only reason Walmart is as big as it is today is that people, despite their rhetoric otherwise, place low price well before quality or national security every time.

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12/02/2011 11:36 AM

There need to be ccheap material buyers to let them be success wit compromised quality.

In India it is somekind of follow up of World Trade agreement at the cost of local unorganized poor labor. Government will do nothing unless there is somekind of visible gain for taking such risks.

No politician is working and all are living on freely extracted money and finally they can't live without it as they no nothing else. Yu can sat darwin's theory of survival of fittest in politics is valid for politicians as well.

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