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Control Valve

11/29/2011 1:48 AM

I want to know what will be the exact allowable seat leakage (in liter/minute) for a class IV control valve having rated Cv= 1070.

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11/29/2011 1:50 AM

Cv/100,000; not a drop more, and not a drop less.

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11/29/2011 9:19 AM

yes I agree,

Thank you very much.

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11/29/2011 3:11 AM

Why? Why not use a positive shut-off valve, such as a ball valve? If zero leakage is an essential to protect personnel, then spade-off the line under a Permit To Work system.

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11/29/2011 4:32 AM

Thank you for the comments.

Where zero leackage is required we are using the TSO, as per recommended. Question is the value of allowable leakage for class IV valve ????

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11/29/2011 4:40 AM

Yep. Read the original question, which has been repeated with too many question marks.

In response:

  • "TSO" <undefined abbreviation>?
  • What does the process require?
  • What is in the pipeline? Pressure? Temperature?
  • What is the outome of the HazOp Study for this particular plant?
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11/29/2011 5:09 AM

TSO is a common term used for class VI type valves and stands for "Tight Shut Off"

The concern is not the requirement of a complete valve but the calculated amount of leakage. Please see question again.

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11/30/2011 8:25 AM

It may not be common for everyone. Good idea to avoid acronyms here. Explain and reduce the pain.

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11/29/2011 4:59 AM

Unknown abbreviation: What is "TSO"?

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11/29/2011 5:06 AM

TSO is a common term when we are discussing control valve and stands for,

"Tight Shut Off"

Normally it is used with class VI control valves, when describing seat tightness.

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11/29/2011 5:09 AM

OK. So why are there now two classes of control valve in the posting, the IV and now the VI? And if the shut-off characteristics of the VI are known, why cannot the IV characteristics be found similarly? (Confused of Dodman's Lane)

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11/29/2011 5:22 AM

I will just repeat my question,

What will be the exact value of allowable leakage for a class IV valve whose rated Cv is 1070 ?

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11/29/2011 5:31 AM

<sigh> Is there really any need to do so? <unsubscribes>

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11/29/2011 6:38 AM

YES

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11/29/2011 6:58 AM

Well, why won't you answer PWSlack's ones?

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11/29/2011 9:03 AM

Valve seat leakage, Class IV: 0.01% of the rated Cv value..

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11/30/2011 2:34 AM

I hereby correct my earlier shot-in-the-dark to Cv/10,000, but up to 10 drops more or less.

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11/30/2011 2:20 AM

According to ANSI/FCI 70-2, class IV valves must have a maximum leak rate of 0.01% of maximum capacity (flow rate), when tested with air or water at temperatures between 50 and 125º F and 45 to 60 psig pressure applied to valve inlet, with valve outlet at atmospheric pressure and closed with the normal actuator force/torque applied.

Maximum capacity is related to Cv. Calculation is easy.

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11/30/2011 2:51 AM

Water as a testing medium, with an inlet pressure of 60 psi (g) and leakage is directly to atmosphere (@ 1 atmospheric pressure),allowable seat leakge for a control valve with a rated Cv of 1070 = 0.0001* 1070* SQRT(60) gallons per minute,

ie;=0.0001* 1070* SQRT(60) * 3.78541 liters per minute = 3.1374 litre/minute.

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11/30/2011 7:03 AM

Class IV - Valve Leakage Classifications

Intended for single port and balanced single port valves with extra tight piston seals and metal to-metal seats.

• 0.01% leakage of full open valve capacity.

• Service dP or 50 psid (3.4 bar differential), whichever is lower at 50 to 125oF.

• Test medium air at 45 to 60 psig is the test fluid.

Typical constructions:

• Balanced, single port, Teflon piston ring, lapped metal seats, medium seat

load

• Balanced, single port, multiple graphite piston rings, lapped metal seats

• Unbalanced, single port, lapped metal seats, medium seat load

• Class IV is also known as metal to metal

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