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Div-1-UG-23(b)-Allowable Compressive Stress

11/30/2011 1:17 PM

The paragraph UG-23 (b) mentions the use of external pressure chart for the determination of one value of max allowable longitudinal compressive stress,
these charts are also called as stress-strain charts?
What is the basis of using these charts for determination of max allowable longitudinal compressive stress?
as per Jawad and farr in their Guidebook for the design of ASME pressure vessels,(Page 38 hard copy)

" if the point A is to the left of the curve then B = (AE) / 2.
E = modulus of elasticity (if we measure E using the slope between 2 points on elastic portion of a curve for a material in external pressure chart, its value comes to be half of the actual value of E under tensile loading conditions)"

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11/30/2011 1:57 PM

What! more homework?? Why would you want to know the allowable stress on a vessel that you are going to pressurize? especially if you're standing next to it!!

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12/01/2011 11:13 AM

Good one!..lol

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12/01/2011 9:12 AM

Not familiar with Jawad and Farr Guidebook, but reference to this is the only clue that you're talking about pressure vessels, not structural members. Can't comment on point A etc, but for elastic modulus as usually understood it's the same for tension as compression, in the elastic range.

However, for members under compression or vessels under external pressure, the load is usually limited by elastic instability (buckling) rather than allowable stress. For example, a vessel designed for full vacuum is typically good for several bar internal pressure (actual figure depending on vessel details)

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12/01/2011 11:18 AM

Jawad! He is a great guy, I studied under him for a while. Great teacher, and very knowledgeable, one of the top guys in pressure vessels in the country.

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12/01/2011 11:42 AM

I still don't understand "its value comes to half of the actual value of E under tensile loading conditions)". What is "a curve for a material in external pressure chart"? Maybe if I had the book in front of me it would be clear, but your stress-strain curve (though very nice!) doesn't explain it (not to me anyway). In the elastic range, for compressive stress it would be same slope but negative strain.

BTW is there any other way of measuring E except by using the slope between 2 points on elastic portion of a stress-strain curve?

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12/02/2011 2:20 AM

The modules of elasticity E is considered as a physical property of a material, and that figure of E is fixed at certain temperature and reduced with higher temperatures. And that figure of E is used in analysis and/or calculations whatever the exercise is tensile or compressive.

See the attached Table TM-1 of ASME VIII-1 showing the Moduli of Elasticity E of ferrous materials for a given temperature.

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