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Spot Welding Electrode

12/09/2011 9:25 AM

In the spot welding process am using Elkonite electrode. Over a period of time due to arcing we used to scrap it but still the welding process uses only 20% of the electrode where remaining 80% is the holding portion of the electrode.

I have 2 ideas

1. Add that 20% of the electrode which is gone during welding process by means of sintering.

2. take the scraped electrode, powder it and make it to the required shape using sintering..

Is it possible to do sintering such that the elkonite should perform its function without any failure.

Is it practically possible?.. will it be cost effective?..

Also explain it..

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Re: Spot Welding electrode

12/09/2011 10:10 AM

Sounds like you need to work on your process, possibly look into a different holder?

I would think it far outweighs your above mentioned ideas.

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Re: Spot Welding Electrode

12/09/2011 11:27 AM

I'd have a talk with the electrode supplier. If he's charging you for 100% of the electrode when 80% is actually scrap, then he's a thief.

Or, as Tim says, get a new holder.

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12/09/2011 11:41 AM

Maybe you could glue them together..

http://www.cotronics.com/vo/cotr/ea_electricalconductive.htm


The sintering would be expensive to set up...If you had many thousands of these electrodes, then maybe...
Tungsten melting point (3420 °C)


http://www.cmwinc.com/tungsten-copper.php

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12/09/2011 11:47 AM

Yea but seriously now, although its an interesting link... Kind of like gluing two ladders together rather than using the proper one to start with isn't it?

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12/09/2011 12:45 PM

What's wrong with that....? Anyway,,just thinking out loud...

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12/09/2011 1:16 PM

Ok ya got me LOL

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12/09/2011 12:59 PM

The way I see it is if you are manufacturing something there will always be consumable components that go with every machine used in the fabrication process.

If you cant afford the consumables you probably cant afford to be in business much longer either. Either you need to find a cheaper supplier, a better consumable, a better fabrication system, or figure out why you cant afford them all together IE where and who is draining all the money out of the profits.

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12/09/2011 6:59 PM

"due to arcing"

I'd be looking at the pressure*, time and current settings

(* flex and skidding)

But this might be of interest

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12/09/2011 11:30 PM

If we give you a fully explained solution to your spot welding electrode consumable cost mitigation exercise will you include us in the citations of "your" report and relinquish a portion of your performance bonus to us?

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12/10/2011 10:04 AM

We face our copper electrodes with Elkonite using silver solder. That way you can resurface them, or if you decide to discard them, you are scrapping a low cost part. No need to fabricate electrodes from solid Elkonite.

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12/10/2011 8:38 PM

am new to this area, pls explain me clearly..

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12/11/2011 8:49 AM

The best brazing (silver soldering) alloy to use is AWS BAg-1 (Silvaloy45). It is composed of 45Ag-15Cu-16Zn-24Cd by weight. It melts at 1125F and flows at 1145F. It should be used with an appropriate flux and in a ventilated area because Zn fumes are toxic. We purchase it in foil form (.003" thick), but wire works fine also. Heating can be done with any kind of torch. After soldering, you can let the parts air cool, or quench them in water. Water quenching has the advantage that it will help remove the flux residue. The copper alloys and the Elckonite have different contraction coefficients, and may distort slighly upon cooling, If this is a problem in your application, you may have to machine the Elkonite after soldering.

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12/11/2011 9:41 PM

Small correction; it is the Cd fumes that are toxic. There is a Cd free version of BAg-1, but we have not used it yet. Do the soldering in a ventilated area and it shouldn't be a concern.

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12/10/2011 10:12 AM

Have your supplier make up your electrodes 80% copper/chrome and 20% Elkonite tip.

Or possibly make your own tips.

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12/10/2011 8:38 PM

will try it..

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