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12/20/2011 2:08 PM

There is a heated discussion happening on this web page. Caution some nasty language there.

http://www.freespeechwisconsin.com/index.php/topic,2717.0.html

It first starts off asking if the war in Iraq was worth doing. But then it morphed into how the USA is leaving millions and millions of dollars worth of equipment there. Last estimate is 313 Million dollars in equipment The USA is leaving behind.

The argument says it is too costly to ship the stuff back.

While I am not a big overseas shipper. But I can not see how it could cost too much when you see the cost of the item being left behind because it costs too much to ship?

I mean load all this stuff on a giant container ship yes?

Like a Humvee, They cost $140,000 dollars, can anyone say honestly that it would cost too much to be worthwhile bringing this back?

How about a M-1 Tank.

Last pricetag, $6.1 Million dollars it cost.

Scrap metal value alone at todays prices it's worth almost $50,000 dollars at 700 a ton for scrap metal.

So the question I ask you big shipper folk. Using like one of those big container ships. and loaded it as full as possible with all these 6 million dollar tanks and 140 thousand dollar humvees. what would it cost to being them back? Instead of leaving them there for no doubt in the future our enemies to use against us.

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12/20/2011 2:19 PM

Contact the general in charge and ask him if you can have the stuff, if you're an American...They may have traded these items for oil or something else who knows...

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12/20/2011 2:21 PM

Hero Member? Wonder what it takes to be a Hero Member?

I wonder if this is even true about abandoning all this stuff? I heard they did this after Viet Nam, too.

I don't have much use for forums anyway. Just a bunch of opinionated old farts with nothing to do on most of 'em.

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12/20/2011 2:37 PM

Ahh, sounds like a bunch a hooey to me....Probably a bunch of danged anarchists er somtin....lol

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12/20/2011 11:15 PM

If it was all repatriated what would it be used for?

If it comes back and sits idle it may as well stay where it is if it can be put to better use.

Don't get mixed up between replacement value and utility value.

Apart from shipping/logistics costs there's long term warehousing to consider as well.

Then there's political considerations.....

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12/20/2011 11:16 PM

There is a specific law in the USA that prevents the importation of surplus military gear into the USA for any reason. They can bring it here, as operational equipment, but once it has been sold as surplus to others, it is banned.

http://www.govliquidation.com/index.html

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12/21/2011 1:15 AM

There's also the fact that we did destroy their military and a lot of their infrastructure. If we didn't rearm them to some extent, there could easily be a quick invasion if we left them with nothing. Now a lot of the things we're leaving we are not leaving for free. They're getting a bargain compared to new equipment but its not new equipment, we used it. Yeah, their getting a bargain for used equipment if you only count currency exchanged. You can't say though that Iraq didn't pay a heavy price for what we're leaving, no matter how little they pay on the dollar.

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12/21/2011 10:09 PM

Whatever happened in Iraq UN should be held responsible.

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12/21/2011 10:33 PM

Why? The US invaded Iraq based on some very questionable misunderstandings. The UN did not sanction it. I personally opposed it. But my government did grant authority for actions to happen.

You seem to think that the UN has some kind of global political authority, they don't. The UN has no more authority than a conference room.

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12/21/2011 5:31 AM

May be a VIP want to make a quick bug by selling illegally some or many of those items with a kick back to a big shot in Washington.

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12/21/2011 8:51 AM

I read the articles as we geared up to go over, the Marines were dragging 1st generation humvees out of surplus and repairing them. 8 years ago.

Computer keyboards full of sand and Mountain Dew, crates of lan cables, mostly what I think you would find left is crap you cannot imagine we shipped in the first place.

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12/21/2011 10:31 AM

Probably the excess inventory of every mother's son of a manufacturer that had the good fortune to get a military contract...lol

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12/21/2011 10:29 AM

What about all the junk in low-Earth-orbit and lying on the Moon? Just think what Bruce Willis and James Dyson could do! Fabulous!

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12/21/2011 1:57 PM

Chance are; most of the materials left behind either have a limited lifespan or are just plain junk. I think after it's value has been accessed, it probably isn't worth shipping back. If you can find someone to buy it as-is, where-is, that's about the best you can do.

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12/21/2011 2:37 PM

Had a kid who worked for me tell of moving out of a FOB in Iraq. They weren't being overrun, just moving.

They took the bare essentials and blew everything else up, including fuel and ammo.

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12/21/2011 7:51 PM

If they brought it all back, they wouldn't have to pay through the nose for replacements from the industrial part of the military-industrial complex, then the generals wouldn't have cushy retirement jobs and the politicians wouldn't get such great lobbying jobs.

Also, the people who work in the factories might not do so well.

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12/21/2011 7:56 PM

Yeah, there is that too.

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12/23/2011 10:02 AM

What a way of thinking!USA destroyed Iraq,Afghanistan,Libya & now planning to destroy Iran.Once people used to relate the word "democracy" with USA.Now it is replaced with the words "Might is right".But I think people in USA are broad & open minded & they also don't support the govt.'s activity.But now I find one person who is very much worried about the scrap left behind in Iraq.What a pity!Remember,you have looted billion times than what you left there(forget about the massacre,we are materialist!).

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12/27/2011 9:53 PM

You should ask for more professional suggestions

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12/27/2011 10:17 PM

Let's hear yours.

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