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MV Motor Winding Temparature Increasing

01/10/2012 4:05 AM

We have 2450 KW, 986 RPM, CGL make, Ins. class: H, temp rise cl. B, 6.6 KV, MV SQ. Cage Induction Motor (Star) using fan application in Cement plant, connected thru 3.72 Kv, MV VFD in Delta connection and opertating at 70% load only, but winding temparatures are raising up to 130 centigrade at ambient temp of 40 Centigrade. Harmonics are also with in limits. Manufacturer couldn't give solution and said it is not meant for VFD application. What may be the reason? please advise solution for the same.

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Re: MV Motor winding temparature increasing.

01/10/2012 4:10 AM

The abnormal temp. rise could be due to a very high dv/dt. May be an inverter duty motor would suit, which would have a Class 'H' insulation on the winding wire.

But, wait! You have siad that you have a 6.6kV motor and you operate it with a 3.72kV VFD...? Are you sure?

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Re: MV Motor winding temparature increasing.

01/10/2012 4:18 AM

6.6 KV Star connection , using 3.72 KV delta connection, it is o.k. No doubt about it.

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Re: MV Motor Winding Temparature Increasing

01/10/2012 8:31 AM

<...Manufacturer.....said it is not meant for VFD application. What may be the reason?...>

Manufacturer.....said it is not meant for VFD application.

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Re: MV Motor Winding Temparature Increasing

01/10/2012 9:02 AM

Shouldn't the motor be in delta? Would make more sense.

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Re: MV Motor Winding Temparature Increasing

01/11/2012 7:09 PM

Am I being to simplistic here? The motor is connected in STAR

√3 of 6.6KV is 3.8KV. The VFD is rated at 3.7KV. The motor should be in DELTA

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Re: MV Motor Winding Temparature Increasing

01/10/2012 9:10 AM

tempreture incresing for motor windings is due to many problems,,,

first is that you should cheak all the connection..... loose connection either on one terminal or three terminal also occur tempreture rise in motor winding....second is connection of motor i.e star delta making here is link more information you can see here

http://www.joliettech.com/3ph_motors_single_speed.htm

and another mechinal reason for temp rising is that your load is over load to your motor shaft i.e uncoupled your motor rotor and cheak the motor on no load

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Re: MV Motor Winding Temparature Increasing

01/10/2012 11:09 PM

If the motor was not designed for VFD operation then it will get too hot.

You didn't mention what speed you were operating at. So figuring you have a VFD then we can assume it might be rotating slower than it would be without. (otherwise why bother with the VFD)

When the motor turns slowly then the cooling airflow is reduced and it gets hot. Fast.

Try an external forced air cooling supply to supplement the cooling airflow of the motor's fan.

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Re: MV Motor Winding Temparature Increasing

01/11/2012 11:03 AM

Do you know the motor "Service Factor"? If it is 1.0 125 C. is Max. for full load and the insulation may already be damaged. If it is S.F. 1.15 max. allowable is 180 C. and you are OK, but heat is a motor killer. You probably should use a form wound O.D.P. motor and add a cooling fan if you are not running at rated RPM. A Star run configuration will reduce the Voltage on the windings if you don,t need the full torque from a Delta. At 70% load why run Delta? Good Luck.

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01/11/2012 12:18 PM

Let me add one other thing; A 40 C. rise above 40 C. ambient is 80 C. If the Insulation is Class H you are good to 180 C. but for every 10 C. above that you cut the motor life in Half... 135 C. is hot for 70% load but the insulation is good for that Temp.

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Re: MV Motor Winding Temparature Increasing

01/11/2012 12:40 PM

What is the running speed of the motor? As already ponted out in this forum,if the speed is less corespondingly cooling is also less from the integral cooling fan attached to the motor. If so you may try cooling with external fan

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Re: MV Motor Winding Temparature Increasing

01/12/2012 7:24 AM

If the motor is not suitable for VFD application, as said by manufacturer, due to high dv/dt( PWM from drive), high heating effect, insulation system of the motor( specially at the begining of the slots, where magnetic wires enter the slots) will be damaged in due course of operation of the motor.Abnormal temperature rise of the motor may be due to various reasons as indicated below:

due to unbalance currents in three phases,

due to unbalance line voltages,

due to unbalance phase inductance and ressistance,

due to improper connections/ loose connections in terminals,

due to slow speed running by VFD affecting desinged cooling system(for normal operation with star connection at 6.6Kv) of the motor.

How much is the cable length of the motor from VFD panel? Please check it. Due excessive cable length(as recommended by the Drive manufacturer) you may have to add reactors in series to nullify effect of Standing Wave generated by Drive.

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