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Battery Recharge Life

03/10/2012 6:40 PM

Can someone clear this up for me? I have many cordless tools in my shop. They use NiCad, Li Ion or Mh type rechargable batteries. When you read the literature pertaining to battery recharging and life, batteries usually last anywhere between 1000 and 3000 recharge cycles. My cordless toothbrush is always plugged in and the battery seem to last forever. It's going on 4 years now and always seems to be fully charged. What technology ia used in toothbrushes that makes them last a long time when cordless power tools don't last very long.

I have to replace cordless tool batteries usually within a 2 year period, while I never have to be concerned with my toothbrush.

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Re: Battery recharge life

03/10/2012 7:31 PM

Toothbrush uses the "small-discharge-no-fail" technology, assisted by the "single-cell-no-unbalance" technology. S.M.

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Re: Battery recharge life

03/10/2012 9:48 PM

Just about every battery you see in any consumer device these days will be Li Ion. Li Ion batteries lose their charge when the contacts erode, so the simpler the cell design the more robust the battery will be.

Also, you're leaving your cordless toothbrush plugged in all the time, so you wouldn't even know if the battery did erode. As long as the battery life is longer than five minutes you're fine. The battery can deteriorate a LOT before the life will drop under five minutes.

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Re: Battery Recharge Life

03/11/2012 9:49 AM

Ronseto, this is OT, okay?

Just a small amount of solid advice, please ditch the electric toothbrush and get a manual one. Electric toothbrushes do more harm than good, as they can severely damage your gums. I'm surprised that your personal Dentist has not yet said this to you, unless he doesn't know you're using one. It is also quite possible he or she wants more $$$ out of you by performing gum surgery because you are damaging your gum line. That wouldn't surprise me in the least as there are a lot of unscrupulous Dentists out there just to make Big Bucks!

Side Note: My own wife ignored my advice for years. Silly her and stubborn to a fault. She too used an electric toothbrush that severely damaged her gums, to the point she almost lost a number of teeth. We switched Dentists 9go a really good one that finally knew his s**t), and she received a lot of gum surgery to repair the excessive damage.

If anything, and as a last resort if you want an electronic teeth cleaning gadget, use a high quality "water pic" type device (not the junk you can buy in Wally World or Ebay) instead that features a water pressure adjustment where you can dial-up and dial-down the water pressure.....make sure to use the "gentle" setting. If the water pressure "stings" the end of your fingertip then the pressure is too severe!

BTW, my late father was a Dentist for over 40 years. My uncle is a retired Dentist as is my first cousin and his first wife. I was 52 years old before I had my first cavity (my fault for sloppy dental hygiene).......I'm now almost 54.

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Re: Battery Recharge Life

03/11/2012 10:44 PM

If you really want to learn about batteries, then have fun...

http://batteryuniversity.com/

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03/11/2012 10:45 PM

I don't have battery powered tools, so can't speak to that. In a camera and a radio scanner I have had poor luck with rechargeable AA batteries, but good luck with lithium batteries.

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03/11/2012 11:51 PM

Please treat all your tools as fondly as your toothbrush. You will have better life out of battery.

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03/12/2012 12:22 AM

In an emergency like fire,life saving,travelling etc cordless equipment including lights is worth millions of dollars

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03/12/2012 3:03 AM

An electric toothbrush is a low-powered device, which will last at least a week on a new battery. If it is a 4yo 'sealed' unit, it will likely have Ni-Cad battery. These are prone to a memory effect which causes the time useful power is available to decrease over the life of the cell. Ni-Cad cells reduce voltage gradually as energy is used.

NiMh hold more power to begin with, and the memory effect is much less. They hold voltage well until nearly empty, then it drops off quickly. The tools you use them in are higher powered, and will drain them quickly. To prolong life, recharge fully as soon as the power begins to drop off.

Li-Ion are what is used in laptop batteries. These are better for low to mid-range power applications and last longest if they are run to empty once in a while.

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03/12/2012 12:18 PM

I think it was on the pages of CR4 that I learnt that the memory effect is actually not as bad as many (including myself for a long time!) people think.

Basically mainly satellites used to get problems as the charge and discharge cycles were always exactly at the same time and same drain etc...

Most people damage NICADS with over charging and therefore overheating, some can be at least partially recovered with a quality charger that "reforms" properly as well as "not" over charging........

For full infos go here:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_effect

There you will find this paragraph, it tells the true reason for memory effect far better than I can:-

True memory effect

Specifically, the term 'memory' came from an aerospace nickel-cadmium application[citation needed] in which the cells were repeatedly discharged to 25% of available capacity (plus or minus 1%) by exacting computer control, then recharged to 100% capacity without overcharge. This long-term, repetitive cycle regime, with no provision for overcharge, resulted in a loss of capacity beyond the 25% discharge point. Hence the birth of a "memory" phenomenon, whereby nickel-cadmium batteries purportedly lose capacity if repeatedly discharged to a specific level of capacity. True memory cannot exist if any one of the following conditions holds:

  • Batteries achieve full overcharge.
  • Discharge is not exactly the same each cycle, within plus or minus 3%
  • Discharge is to less than 1.0 volt per cell.[2]

True memory effect is specific to sintered-plate nickel-cadmium cells, and is exceedingly difficult to reproduce, especially in lower ampere-hour cells. In one particular test program-especially designed to induce memory-no effect was found after more than 700 precisely-controlled charge/discharge cycles. In the program, spirally-wound one-ampere-hour cells were used. In a follow-up program, 20-ampere-hour aerospace-type cells were used on a similar test regime. Memory effects showed up after a few hundred cycles.

Many thanks to the now unknown CR4 member that squared me off.......

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03/12/2012 12:19 PM

I left my battery toothbrush in the charger without using for a few months and now it runs about 15 seconds.

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03/12/2012 1:10 PM

Did your teeth fall out?

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03/12/2012 1:03 PM

Marketing technology.

Because the motor in the tooth brush is so small. They can place a battery in it that will usually seem to preform longer. With out making it so cumbersome to use.

If the power tools had comparable battery. Motor current draw to battery output. Then the weight would be an issue.

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