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Problem Encountered During Measurement of Energy by a Energy Meter

03/28/2012 4:50 AM

Presently I am a doing a research work and trying to measure amount of energy required to drill a hole on steel with a drill bit size of 10mm. I am using Nanovip energy-meter for this. The experimentation is being done on a 3 phase milling machine with a drilling attachment. I am clapming the current and potential jaws to the respective 3 wires of the power circuit. I am selecting CT ratio of 100 and PT ratio of 10. But after the drilling is done , when I look the software for the amount of current and voltage it has taken for drilling , I find that the voltage column is all zero and hence the energy column is also zero. But in the current column I get the values.

Please anyone pls let me know how to rectify this error ?

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Re: Problem encountered during measurement of energy by a energy meter

03/28/2012 5:12 AM

As a quick fix you could stick a fixed value in the voltage column... dunno if a mill is going to really pull the voltage down much unless you have a dodgy supply...
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03/28/2012 5:44 AM

If the energy meter is not faulty, then there will always be a good chance in wrong connection and also in settings.

look into it...

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03/28/2012 11:01 AM

As others have already mentioned, you most likely have a bad voltage connection somewhere. You're Current Transformer and Phase Transform (CT and PT) ratios are not a capricious value that one can select to fudge a measurement. They are determined by the transformer and attenuation network you are using in this setup. I highly recommend that you use an oscilloscope to measure the voltages entering the energy meter to verify that things are wired correctly and that Phase A gets Current A to measure the correct phase angle.

There is a possibility that you exceeded the input voltage capability of your instrument and damaged circuitry in the energy meter. If the voltage range for the instrument without an attenuator is ±48V and you fed it directly 480 VAC RMS then you have a dead energy meter. This type of mistake can produce exactly the symptoms you've presented.

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03/28/2012 1:40 PM

It's likely simpler than all that.

If you have ONE clamp meter and you are clampping it around ALL THREE conductors at the same time, the values will sum to zero!

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03/29/2012 2:16 AM

This is already answerd by the original poster: The current is measured. it is the voltage which is not measured.

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03/28/2012 3:36 PM

What is the actual current reading and voltage? Get you volt meter and see if the recorder is seeing a voltage reading. Do you actually clamp the voltage jaws around the conductor? Why not make a direct connection?

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03/28/2012 4:46 PM

Don't know the specific meter, but is there a DC/AC option?

If it's set on DC, then the average observed voltage in line should be zero. As someone else has suggested, probably a meter setting.

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03/29/2012 12:08 AM

A quick look at the manual for the Nanovip meter tells me that for a balanced 3 phase measurement, one clamps the current meter to one of the conductors (let us designate that as L1), and measure voltage across the other two conductors (let us call these L2 and L3). This confuses me, but I don't know what sort of algorithm the meter is using internally to calculate watts. Anyway, there is also a switch on the front of the meter that selects either single phase or three phase- check that this switch is in the correct position.

The manual does not talk about using a Potential Transformer- their diagrams show direct connection to lines L2 and L3 with standard probes. Maybe you are using a different version of the meter than the manual I am looking at?

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03/29/2012 1:13 PM

Clamping an ammeter around one phase is pretty standard, as is using probes on any two wires to measure voltage. I think the OP will need to supply additional details. Seems odd to use a potential transformer on something as small as a drilling machine.

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03/29/2012 1:35 PM

My confusion stems from the manual's instructions to measure voltage across L2 and L3 while measuring current in L1. Of course, they specify that this is for balanced 3 phase only (an animal I have never met in the wild). All of my 3-phase measurements have involved simultaneous measurement of three currents and voltages (either across lines, or line to ground, depending on whether one is dealing with delta or star distribution).

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03/30/2012 1:24 PM

I think the Nanovip is a simpler instrument that you are accustomed to.

Because it can only measure one phase at a time, the phases must be balanced for the measurement to have much validity. I think (but am not sure) that their picking L2 and L3 is arbitrary, because they assume the lines are balanced.

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03/29/2012 1:49 PM

I agree that most drilling machines do not draw much power. Most drilling machines do not draw a significant amount of power unless something is about to break. There are a few notable exceptions though.

But once again we know next to nothing about the drill or anything that the OP is trying to measure. I have more hope that the 7 train will be extended by this tunnel boring machine than I do that the East Side access will ever be complete. I have more hope that the East Side access will be completed before we find out what the OP is actually doing.

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03/30/2012 4:57 PM

Wow! If that drill bit in the background is big, let's say 3/4", then those people would have to be really tiny -- maybe only 1/4" high and as big around as toothpicks!

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04/02/2012 3:19 AM

No, just a trick of the light.

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