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Combining AC Voltage and DMX Control in One Cable

04/01/2012 12:14 AM

I have a project which calls for more than 200 LED house lights for a large sanctuary.

From the manufacturer, the fixtures use 120 Volts, 2.1 amps (90 x 3 watt LED TIR devices) and a separate DMX control line. We can have almost anything changed about the fixture except the LED board.

Each light has its own 120 Volt AC to 5V/12V DC chopper/rectifier power supply, DMX demux card which receives the DMX and outputs 0-10 volts DC to the LED circuit board, DC fan, and LED device board.

I have proposed replacing the (more than 200) power supplies with smaller devices that would generate less heat. We would use a stepped down 120 volt - 24 volt AC power grid which can be run as low voltage cabling (without conduit, wiring, outlets) to all the lights. I'd also like to run the DMX in the same cable. Mixing the DMX signal and 24V power is code compliant. We could also save a bundle on connectors.

Has anyone tried this? There are several cables rated for HV that have the HV side as a twisted pair, and the LV signal side as a shielded twisted pair, all in the same jacket. But, I have not tried this on DMX.

Anyone have any ideas?

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Re: Combining AC Voltage and DMX Control in One Cable

04/01/2012 12:52 PM

I don't think you'll have a problem at this low voltage...

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Re: Combining AC Voltage and DMX Control in One Cable

04/02/2012 2:45 AM

1 - I assume that is 200 houses x (90x3W)fitting equals 54kW, when you work it out that's a lot of current, so voltage drops will be come significant if you go to 24V.

I'd guess that by the time you get bigger cable any gains in the cost of running the wiring will be slight.

2 - Realistically what will be the efficiency savings, after all each fitting is only 270W even a 10% gain is not much.

3 - Running the power and signals together is neat but it's probably cheaper to run 2 separate cables. you can use standard industrial power cable/fittings/junction boxes etc and standard shielded cable

4 - Doesn't DMX only support 32 devices?

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Re: Combining AC Voltage and DMX Control in One Cable

04/02/2012 8:56 AM

The purpose of using 24 volt AC to supply the fixtures is to rate the entire system beyond the catwalk as low voltage. This means the cabling can run without conduit. The total ampacity is the same - but the electricians supply that power to the catwalk and stop there. This reduces project cost by more than $100,000. This also allows the lighting installer to place the lights anywhere in the ceiling space without regard to where the electricians may have placed the junction box with outlet.

Multiple 24 volt transformers will be readily accessible on the catwalk and reduce the cable lengths.

DMX is a 512 channel protocol. Depending on the type of fixture or dimmer, up to 512 devices can be controlled.

My primary concern with the design is the possibility of interference in the DMX signal caused by combining the 24V AC with the 5V DC DMX in the same cable.

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