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Generator kWh Reduces

04/16/2012 2:08 AM

Hello everyone. I have frequently seen vendors advertising their generators with this phrase: "... you will get the rated kW for about 3 years, after which it will reduce."

What will be the cause: Mechanical deterioration? Can't we fix this with rewinding, maintenance, etc?

How can we explain this?

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04/16/2012 3:22 AM

Did you call the vendors, Dude?

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04/17/2012 9:39 AM

Why would you call the vendors "dude"?? (or anyone for that matter)

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04/16/2012 9:51 AM

I have always maintained that there is no such thing as an electrical failure. Most so-called electrical failures are in fact mechanical failures. Other types can be blamed on an assortment of other things, but I've never known electricity to refuse to move, given a path.

After three years of service, a generator will probably benefit from replacing the bearings. Rewinding it may also improve it, if it is done correctly. Little details like bend radius (on the 90° or more turns) and insulation thickness have a way of ruining your best effort if you don't get it right. Ultimately, the accumulated failures are a result of heat and mechanical forces.

It would seem that the advertisement is just letting you know that nothing lasts forever. Wouldn't it be interesting if all manufacturers were so truthful?

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04/16/2012 1:44 PM

The electrical rating of an alternator is designed-in long before any of its components are purchased and, if operated within factory limits and given proper maintenance, should never change. Rewinding it exactly the way it was originally designed should have no effect on its rating unless some inherent flaw was corrected (but then it would not be exactly like the original, would it?) Keep an alternator clean, cool, dry, dust-free, well balanced and properly lubricated and it should never need derating.

Prime movers on the other hand are hugely complex devices with rotating, reciprocating, and sliding parts with tight clearances and deliberate wear-surfaces, all subject to extremes in temperature, pressure, force and loading conditions. Every rotation that it goes through removes a microscopic amount of material that contributes to the reduction of the initial tolerances and clearances designed in at the factory. This is just one factor that leads to the slow degradation in the engine's performance; fuel quality, fouling, improper lubrication, lack of maintenance all hasten the the fall-off in performance. Nothing short of an overhaul back to original factory specs can reverse this process.

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04/17/2012 1:23 AM

Anon poster 1: Unfortunately, it was the vendor who said this!

Notodinaryguru: yes, what you mentioned is correct. It is the mechanical works, joints, connections and coupling that results in an electrical failure. As long as electricity has the suitable path, it WILL flow. However, something about the vendor's words seems to point at a gradual drop in kW after use like it can not be rectified even through maintenance, rewinding, etc. Some sort of permanent ageing.

Ramconsult: Thanks for the great insight. Any thoughts or ideas on this?

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04/17/2012 5:49 PM

Matthew, Alternators have essentially one moving part (aside from the seal oil and lubrication systems) with no wear surfaces or contact between rotor and stator except for the shaft bearings. I have seen the insides of properly operated and maintained 40+ year old utility alternators that looked like they just came off the factory floor.

When it comes to heavy electrical equipment please follow Henry Ford's advice, "If it ain't broke don't fix it!" unless the manufacturer, NOT the vendor, recommends it in their maintenance manuals. Unfortunately it sounds like your vendor's salesman is utilizing the FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt) method of drumming up some extra business. I would politely thank him for his recommendations and then call the manufacturer directly.

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04/17/2012 2:15 AM

as per International standards diesel generator engines are manufactured as Stand By rating designed to run 200Hours in an year i suppose you are located in US where generators dont run more then 100Hours in a year the logic of your vender is set derates after two years and needs major components of the engine needs replacement.other two ratings are prime and continues ratings that have longer duration between major overhauls,and the running hours are more your alternators have no problems with Running Hours

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04/17/2012 4:25 AM

Dear Mr. Mathewkyle,

I am of the opinion to boost their business they may say so.

But in fact, the Engine Performance may fall on account of the following factors in course of time. Hence Good Maintanance is to be done.

1. Reduction in Compression Ratio of the engine, due to leakage through Piston Rings.

2. Poor performance of the Inter-Cooler for the air sucked for combustion.

3. Improper Fuel Injection for atomisation for good combustion and Heat Release.

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04/18/2012 11:21 AM

Thanks to all. It seems more like a marketing gimmick. Thanks indeed for teh great ideas and explanations.

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05/14/2012 4:02 AM

Yes, thank you all for the input.

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