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Mechanical Piping

05/02/2012 7:12 AM

Hi to all,

Can some one suggest me the pipe line size and schedule for CNG main header if my CNG flow rate is 7500 Sm3/hrs with main header pressure 2.5 to 3.0 kg/cm2.

And if in Breanch flow rate 100, 827, 1157 Sm3/hrs.

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Re: Mechnical piping

05/02/2012 7:25 AM

OK. Here's a suggestion:

  • For gases, keep the average flow velocity below 10m/s, and size the pipes to suit.

Pressure is not an issue.

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Re: Mechnical piping

05/03/2012 12:15 AM

Dear Sir,

Thanks for your comments but my concern what NB and Schedule piping will i use.

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05/03/2012 8:44 AM

Use the velocity first to calculate the NB: flow is pi times the diameter squared times the velocity divided by 4. Increase the diameter to get the velocity below 10m/s, then the next standard diameter up will do.

Use the pressure against the NB to decide on the schedule. Alternatively, and preferably, follow the end Client's piping standards for the diameter and the contents.

Unless any other CR4 reader knows a better way?

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Re: Mechnical piping

05/02/2012 9:04 AM

Not sure you are ready for this.

You really need to go to school, or HIRE an engineer.

Natural Gas - Pipe Sizing
It's unsettling that you would even ask such a question.Might as well hand you a loaded gun.

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Re: Mechanical Piping

05/04/2012 2:45 AM

Pipe size 500mm , Schedule Ms40 seamless. Flow 7500 m3/hr at 10m/s velocity.

Recommended gas velocity 8.5 m/s to 15 m/s.

So the Size is ok unless you want to run over 100 metres. Then take a 600 mm size to be totally save with pressure drops.

Gmauthur, these are not done simply asking on CR4 with no layout/dictated parameters/length/line heights/ ambient temperature etc. This is why there are Piping Consultants involved in engineering & then designing.

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05/04/2012 3:21 AM

Thanks for your kind help.

Sir i know for that work designers should be invole but in Japaness company they didn't involve any type of designers thats why i needed ur help.

pipe rack height 7.5 M, Ambient temp, and last user end approx 865 m.

Any other information can i share for better suggestions.

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05/04/2012 3:55 AM

865m - thats a hell of a big projects. The height/the length/the running layout out/the off sets/ the valves & bends/tees/fittings etc ., involved - all need to be calculated for frictional losses, the thermal pipe expansion analysis before the right pipe size diameter and layout to be designed or vetted based on what you have received.

If the Japanese company did not hire any designers then it is their fault/ or your known ignorance then Remit me US $ 100,000 with your layout and then I will be in a position to confirm.

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05/04/2012 11:54 AM

In any Japanies company this type of job is not left with unprofessionals. They will never allow CNG piping to be designed by this type of information.

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05/04/2012 12:05 PM

Is there a Japanese specification/classification for pipeline design that has a designation of DBS-1000? Or DBSwac-1000?

That would be Designed By Strangers, or Designed By Strangers without a clue-1000.

I think we do a dis-service to those who are obviously unqualified for the task at hand by providing technical information that is beyond the comprehension of the recipient.

Just my 2 yen's worth.

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