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And then there are other threads, where I'd like to continue flogging the OP until they are forced to make their point.

Just remember. There is no misinformation out there that should be discussed.

http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/this-is-just-crazy/msg73378/#msg73378

Somehow, suing states for enforcing federal immigration laws, and expanding the welfare state across the nation, doesn't seem like a great idea.

http://www.inquisitr.com/244499/bloody-chicago-holiday-10-killed-40-shot-during-memorial-day-weekend/

I must be dumb or stupid or something because I can't see any connection between your comment and the news item, unless there is a conspiracy theory hiding in there.

No, it's not you. I keep up with a lot of different things. Urban areas that have a high concentration of people that are on government give away programs, tend to have very high crime and drug abuse rates. Many of the gang wars that are taking place across the country, (like the one in the article), are due to the fact that the Mexican drug cartels, and others, are moving their products primarily through these same areas, and are spreading into more rural areas.

The fact that they are safe once they cross our southern border, is chilling.

These guys are particularly scary. I'm the one that's confused. I don't see the problem with checking immigration status when a person has been stopped for another reason.

Racial profiling doesn't bother you? Here in america we like to treat our problems superficially. We ignore the root of the problems because they would require major changes to the status quo. For instance, the massive influx of immigrants from mexico is a direct result of the NAFTA free trade agreements. We deal with the problem by proposing to build a massive wall at the boarder, or checking peoples imigration status and deporting them.... it is absurd. The cause of the drug cartels in mexico is the fact that we waged a massively unsuccessful "war on drugs". The solutions to these problems really are quite simple.

Both the "war on drugs" and the "war on poverty", have been dismal failures. Admitting it would be a good first step.

Racial profiling is a component that's slipped in by the "PC" crowd. Particularly in the summer, I look very hispanic................dark hair, dark skin, etc. My drivers licence does the trick.

Slip into Mexico or Canada without permission, get pulled over for speeding, drunk driving...........whatever. And you'd better be prepared to show proof that you belong there or you're in big trouble. Why is the US mean for doing the same thing?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBOuHOXo1Vk

That's it!!!!!! I knew there was something about you, but I couldn't quite put my finger on it.

Now I know. In the summer you look hispanic.

I'd be getting hassled in Arizona if I got pulled over. Until I talked and produced my licence.

It's happened..............not in Arizona, but I've had people think I'm an hombre.

War on drugs was a silly concept, it has promoted a real war, several real wars, cartels against governments. The only way to stop the supply of drugs is to stop the demand; the politicians want no part of cracking down on their constituents. There was an experiment in Philadelphia where they cracked down on the johns on one notorious street, the street walkers disappeared but the experiment was stopped, too many connected people were hassled, and so things went back to normal.

A law that is not enforced is not a real law. For a couple of decades, the immigration laws were neglected for Mexican workers, the availability of work, and the neglect of the laws was an invitation to come and work.

As an immigrant and citizen, there is no reason for me to carry proof of citizenship, before I became a citizen, I carried, a green card. Under some of the state laws, on hearing my accent would throw me in the pokey as a citizen where I would have had my green card before.

A law that is not enforced is not a real law. For a couple of decades, the immigration laws were neglected for Mexican workers, the availability of work, and the neglect of the laws was an invitation to come and work.

Exactly right. Washington continues to create laws that aren't enforced. I think most states have some sort of ID requirement. Green cards or temporary worker IDs would have been fine. Unfortunately, due to the bloated, dysfunctional mess that the federal government has become, people in Arizona are getting killed. I can't blame them for deciding to enforce federal law, when the feds won't.

Under some of the state laws, on hearing my accent would throw me in the pokey as a citizen where I would have had my green card before.

Really? I wasn't aware of that. I was under the impression that once you were a citizen, you just went and got a valid drivers licence or state issued, picture ID. Proof of citizenship would be required to obtain either one of those. No?

Either way, at this point, due to federal neglect, the problem has become so monumentally huge, that just figuring out how to tackle it seems impossible.

"the problem has become so monumentally huge, that just figuring out how to tackle it seems impossible."

really? You must not have much of an imagination. How about, can NAFTA and somehow try to ensure people get paid living wages in mexico. And lickity split...problem solved. Pretty simple eh?

You funny!!!

First of all, the Mexican economy is growing at a faster clip than that of the US, which is prompting many Mexican workers to go home. If the trend continues, we will continue to lose hard working, honest people, and be left with the criminals. Mexico doesn't want them back anyway.

The cost of living is much less in Mexico than it is in the US. Your lickity split problem solving skills are pretty flawed. Aside from eliminating NAFTA, what you suggest would involve not only imposing the US minimum wage on Mexico, but also getting Mexico to agree to allow our powerful unions to flood into their places of work...................this would truly level the playing field.

Good luck getting your pretty simple plan implemented.

Thanks for the info. Things have become so convoluted, I don't know which way is up anymore............................and it's not from drinking.

I have a friend in CT that married a girl from Peru, (licensed architect), and it took her almost 8 years to get her citizenship.

There's just no making sense of it. And one of many things I would like to discuss with people I'm familiar with...............which led me to starting this thread.

These things have also led me to a general distrust of the US government. Something tells me it's not better back in England or the UK.

I'm glad you joined the other site. We can carry on conversations like this with no issues. If others want to come over, they can do so, for a particular conversation(s), and then stay off from there. I have to say though, I'm enjoying myself over there. Not an evil group as far as I can tell. Good subject matter, different opinions........................but not centered on engineering.