Previous in Forum: Transformer Markings   Next in Forum: Component ID
Close
Close
Close
7 comments
Rate Comments: Nested
Guru

Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: chennai,India
Posts: 592
Good Answers: 19

Sandwich Busduct

06/04/2012 10:46 AM

Until 15 years back air insulated Busducts were installed for connecting the transformers and the switch boards.There were not any failures of Busducts.

But of late most of the installations have been provided with Sandwich type Busducts especially in India.Failures are more in these type of sandwich type Busducts.

On Analysis I have observed that the bus bar sizes used in the Sandwich Busduct seems to be less.

For example ,in Sandwich Busducts for 1000Amps the size of Aluminium Busbar used is 100 mm x 6 mm.The open air rating of Aluminum busbar of size 100 x 6 mm is only 1260Amps.

The deration factor for temperature rise and enclosure to be taken into consideration.This will be 0.635, for temperature rise of 55 deg C over an ambient of 50 deg C.(This is only for Sandwich type.For Air insulated it will be 35 deg C rise for an ambient of 50 deg C)

After applying deration factor the current carrying capacity of busbar is only 800 Amps.

Similarly in air insulated busducts,for joints there will be fishplate joints.this will be overlapping type.The contact area will be adequate with sufficient bolting (minimum 4 nos)to have very good joint such that there will not be much contact resistance.

Whereas in Sandwich type there is no bolting but there is only pressure plate with only one bolt to have adequate pressure on the plate.Even the contact area is less.

My query is how and why Manufacturers of Sandwich type Busduct incorporate less cross sectional Bus bars?

What is the basis?

In chennai,India, I have noticed many highrise buildings,Software parks have been provided with these type of Sandwich Busducts and in most of the installations some failure or other occured.This may also be attributed to very poor installation.

__________________
Ramesh,Freelance Electrical/automation Consultant
Register to Reply
Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.
Guru

Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 1895
Good Answers: 44
#1

Re: Sandwich Busduct

06/04/2012 11:37 AM

I would assume they are trying to save money by using less material. The lower reactance gained by using the sandwich construction may allow some engineers to pass this as acceptable (using less material).

Obviously this is not acceptable.

Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 2061
Good Answers: 169
#2

Re: Sandwich Busduct

06/04/2012 11:41 AM

I second your opinion. Somehow, I too cannot accept this unusual 'shrinking' of the cooling space around the busbars. Let me try to talk to my peers and try to get an answer.

Register to Reply
Commentator
France - Member - New Member

Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Grenoble, France
Posts: 76
Good Answers: 4
#3

Re: Sandwich Busduct

06/04/2012 12:25 PM

Both sandwich and air insulated answer to the same IEC standards, including in terms of temperature rise.

The design is done by succession of calculations, modelling, and actual certification tests.

Air insulation has its advantages , but is very sensitive to pollution, long term corrosion and deterioration of contacts, or foreign bodies intrusion in the air vents.

Sandwich needs more attention to the quality of the insulation material (usually mylar sheets, or epoxy coating) .

When it comes to Aluminium busways, a big difference can be found on the contact design. Some use nickel-tin coated plating, which will never be completely freeting corrosion free. Others use welded co extruded silver plated copper-aluminium bi-metal on joints to ensure a silver to silver contact, which allows higher temperatures and still guarantees excellent durability of the contact.

As worldwide levels of quality mastery raise, air insulation is slowly but surely disappearing from the market. High quality sandwich can be found produced locally in India, China , Europe and North America .

Register to Reply
Guru
Engineering Fields - Instrumentation Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: San Antonio, TX USA
Posts: 844
Good Answers: 29
#4

Re: Sandwich Busduct

06/04/2012 5:40 PM

Try a query with these guys. Right around the corner from you. Good luck!

__________________
"Do not worry about your difficulties in Mathematics. I can assure you mine are still greater". - Albert Einstein
Register to Reply
Commentator

Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 67
Good Answers: 2
#5

Re: Sandwich Bus-duct

06/05/2012 2:33 AM

The sandwich bus ducts are provided with large heat sinks in the form of channel pieces at the edges or fins on the body. The heat transfer from busbars is better due to conduction through solids instead of convection through air in case of air insulated busbars. The failures could be mainly due to improper installation practices e.g not allowing for expansion of busbars thereby straining the insulation, blocking heat transfer from busbars to surroundings etc. A regular thermal imaging routine can prevent many failures.

Register to Reply
Associate

Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 44
#6

Re: Sandwich Busduct

02/12/2013 10:45 PM

Good morning every one,

Though the guiding factor for bus bar sizing is the temperature rise limit as per IEC, i believe the failures of such sanwhiched busducts in Indian envirinment is more owing to the following reasons.

1) The sizing of dwonstream equipment and the protection are not properlu made to restrict the short circuit levels. Secondly the No. of scu deadshorts in the downstream equipment are more since we do not take much care about safe and good enginering practices when doing cabling / wiring. Though the busbars made be designed for withstanding say 50 KA for 1 sec, practically the bus insulation weakens under frequent / repeated SC. This culminates in localised hot spot generation followed by puncture and failure of insulation.

2) The sandwhich busducts require specail care while erecting. These are to be treated as new bord babies while handling and erecting. The joints are especally the weakest link. Any form of physical impurity in the overalps can result in internal arc generation, what ever may be the tightness of the bolts.

3) These sanwhich bus bars work relatively well in air-conditioned enviorns like that in IT sector but are not suitable for hot, dustyand humid environs.

Hope my theroy is correct.

Ramesh.A

Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: chennai,India
Posts: 592
Good Answers: 19
#7
In reply to #6

Re: Sandwich Busduct

02/12/2013 11:18 PM

Most failures in chennai are due to overheating. Consequential insulation failure and Flash over. Overheating is primary due to undersized busbars. Why Airconditioned atmosphere is required when air insulated busduct can work with out any problem and air insulated busducts are much cheaper than sand wich busduct

__________________
Ramesh,Freelance Electrical/automation Consultant
Register to Reply
Register to Reply 7 comments
Copy to Clipboard

Users who posted comments:

cuba_pete (1); electricalexpert65 (1); Learner42 (1); obouill (1); ramvinod (1); RDGRNR (1); shivvaram (1)

Previous in Forum: Transformer Markings   Next in Forum: Component ID

Advertisement