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LPG Fired Plastic Extruders

06/21/2012 12:54 AM

I'm planning to replace some of my band heaters (those near the funnel) with an LPG stove. I will use solenoid valve via thermocontroller to control the switching of flame. I will also make a bypass hose (bypassing the solenoid) with control, to have a small flame constantly burning so as to eliminate the need for firing up the stove everytime the solenoid switches on.

My concern is, if in case the small flame is accidentally extinguished, and the stove is turned on, the LPG will leak and might cause flame.

I use to own a gas fired clothes dryer. The technician told me that if in case the piezo failed to light up a flame, or the flame was accidentally extinguished, the LPG supply will automatically be cut-off. Is the principle applicable in my project? What do you call the flame detector or whatever it's called? Or do you have other ideas for such application?

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Re: LPG Fired Plastic Extruders

06/21/2012 9:58 AM

To find out how the thermocouple on a gas pilot works go here.

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06/21/2012 10:21 AM

Thanks. Would you also recommend flame detectors...?

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06/21/2012 11:57 AM

Hi Nelson,

Google "Flame Failure Device".

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Re: LPG Fired Plastic Extruders

06/21/2012 6:27 PM

"Google "Flame Failure Device"."

Or as previously suggested, read about thermocouples, with an emphasis on heating appliance safety.

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06/22/2012 3:06 AM

Not sure LPG is the way to go there Band heaters work because you can control the temp precisly... LPG very crude you may get gassing from over heating or degrading from lack of correct temp and of course you may need to purge more than you extrude..

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06/22/2012 8:11 AM

We design extruder's with electric band heaters for a reason. Open flames have several issues to them when in use. One being an ignition source for the materials which are extruded. Open gas flames are also corrosive to the barrel and surrounding areas.

I do not have issues with trying to think out side of the box and making something work for one's need. But caution you to be very careful when trying to redesign something that has very proven history's.

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06/22/2012 11:12 AM

You did not say what size burners that you will be using. You must use a flame detection device, thermocouple actuate valve (think water heater), flame rod, or UV detection. These will cut off the gas supply as soon as you lose flame.

If you are trying to maintain temperature to within a degree or too then a motor operated valve will be your best bet. Wattlow, Honeywell, and others have some very sophisticated controls that are far better that a off - on arrangement.

Watlow.com has downloads to help you get what need.

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06/24/2012 10:00 AM

Tolerances would be around +-8 degrees celcius.

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06/22/2012 7:33 PM

I plan to use my existing thermocontroller to control the flame via solenoid valve. Then have another small continuous flame controlled manually via gate valve for ignition.

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06/22/2012 8:46 PM

Since this must a commercial operation you the pilot flame must also turn off if the flame should go out. Go to the national fire code site NFPA to check the regulations. Even if you not from the US or Canada, there is probably a national and a local code that you need to check.

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