Letting Off Some Stress. What Do You Do?

I you are wondering what I do I usually just go and work on something heavy and physical wear myself out.

However when thats not possible I sign on to a random web site as 'Troll Rider' and find the biggest most trollish pompous jerk I can and ride him around in circles until I feel better or one or both of us get kicked out. Surprisingly Troll breaking is a good way to exercises writing skills diplomacy and tact while I get a few good giggles too!

(And no thats not how I found CR4.)

So if you have ever been on a forum where some member names 'Troll Rider' came in had a few good laughs while running some jerk around that may have been me! However if you were that pompous jerk. Sorry but you had it coming.

BTW I have only ever done that like three times in four years now.

Thats my destressing confession.

It seems you give off stress by inflicting it on others. You're a carrier.

Has been known to happen.

If there is a rule and a rule maker does not follow it I am watching!

Ooh, that forum sounds like fun! What topics do they address?

None!

For the most part what we take for egranted as beeing normal forum goings on is pretty much waht gets anything editied, deleted, and or the poster warned or outright banned for undetermined lenths of time. It works a bit like this.

If you mention climate change/global warming you get banned.

If you mention religion in a negative or humorous way you get banned.

If you mention politics you get banned.

If you go off topic you get deleted then eventually banned.

If you question or even speak of the moderating team (all one of him) you get banned.

If you mention why you are not posting as much as you used to you get banned.

If you mention the moderation tactics of any other site your post gets deleted and you get banned.

If you question why you got banned you get banned again and extra ban time gets added.

If you question the rules you get banned for not understanding them.

If you mention anything about the history of any country that is not perfect you get banned. (Mention Germany from around 1900 - 1950 and the moderator goes totally ape sh!t)

If you post anything in the site issues and feedback section that is not 100% roses and perfume it gets deleted and you get banned.

If you mention any former members who have left over site moderation issues you get banned.

Basically if you are a member with ahalf a brain or more and you post anything as of lately it gets deleted and you get banned.

Yea its a real bucket full of Kittens over there right now.

The site is http://www.electro-tech-online.com/ and all the fun is in the members lounge and the site issues and feedback sections.

Join up and go nuts! Right now there are only 3 trouble makers (Give or take about 30) with issues with the site moderation or more specifically one moderator and given the efforts he has been going through to keep me off the site for the past month I am almost flattered!

So, Roger Pink is the moderator of that other website?

I see that they have a Homework Help section, among others.

Maybe we could send all the homework weenies we get here over to them.

Do you know who sponsors this site?

And to think people bitch about the mods here!

If this is true, "Basically if you are a member with ahalf a brain or more and you post anything as of lately it gets deleted and you get banned."

I should think there would be plenty of members on that forum, if diminished intelligence was a requirement. We could send them some of our members who routinely demonstrate that they have less than a full brain, if you think that would help them.

Shall we start a nominating list??

I think our slection committee should consist of you, me, and a few more who have at one time or another demonstrated full brain capacity.

Count me in....as long as the committee only meets on Tuesday at 6:00 AM. My brain is always working then.

I think I R to went there & cause sum sh*t.

Pretty hard to get stressed at the beach....

Unless it's Cocoa Beach...I see they have a new band of "Beach Patrol Experts" (spelled: harass-R-us).

Don't rub it in.

Geee, a few ex-members of this forum (who have been banned) come to mind right away! Maybe we can send them there when they're not hell bent on re-infiltrating this place?

BTW, that other forum sounds like a hell hole, so why even bother to frequent it!??????

So far its actually been a good forum to be in and I have been a member there longer than I have been here. However its only been in the last 6 months or so that the moderation issues have been starting to crop up at a level that is too hard to ignore by a good number of the long term regulars.

I have done numerous threads on some of the AE stuff I play with as a hobby which to this day are still surprisingly high view drawers as seen here inthe Renewable Energy section, http://www.electro-tech-online.com/renewable-energy/ (Much to the dismay of the safety Nazis of course!)

Most of this started with an old moderator who liked to get a bit liqueured up and toss his ego around, and got canned for it, but unfortunately the guy who replaced him a few months ago appears to have a moderate level of OCD or something and is putting a considerable amount of effort into keeping any and all as he sees negative comments or observations about him scrubbed clean from the forum including deleting posts and whole threads in the Site issues and Feedback section. (That's pretty much why I have been banned three times now covering the last month of time.)

The moderation issues have mostly came from so many people getting posts deleted in one moderators OCD level pursuit of forum perfection as he sees it. People get posts deleted simply because they are not exactly in tune with the topic or direction the thread. Around here we see them as the 'Off topic" stuff. How long would any of you put up with our off topic posts and banter being scrubbed from every thread? Especially the more talkative members here who use it to pull necessary info from the OPs?

Largely the big thing thats been pissing people off is the not getting a simple explanation for what they did that justified a post or entire thread being deleted. That and getting infractions or outright banning with zero reference to what they did wrong or what rule it broke and what does get referenced is usually taken so far out of context including the rules themselves that it comes off as just being nit picky and stupid.

For many people just going on line and helping other and sharing our knowledge and experience is a good way to relive stress and right now for some over there that has become unnecessarily stressful for nothing other than the sake of petty forum politics which in itself is supposed to be against the rules in itself.

Well it would seem I must have really got his undies in a bunch.

I just got off my month long ban made 4 posts and one thread where I got moderator edited added to three of them, the fourth one was two pictures of railroad tracks from a thread over here, and made a thread about how to reach me over here which got deleted entirely and now I am banned again for a full month.

No actual mention of moderators moderation or anything else was made, looks like it though if you read the posts, and I got banned for another month.

I am getting the strong impression he is putting a lot of effort into makeing sure that absolutely no one has any information or idea of how to contact me outside of that forum.

So with that if anyone has a interest in just being an anonymous trollish jerk just for jerks sake on a forum where it may be appreciated by the remaining few who are there fell free to drop in. The moderators name is eric gibbs so give him a bit of hell from Sceadwian and tcmtech while your there! BTW the other moderators are alright so please respect them.

(really it its a fun passive agressive way to relieve some online stress.)

I would do it myself but he went so far as to IP address block me this time.

I'm the buddy that tcmtech is talking about, this is what I do when I'm stressed cause I'm stressed about the core of the topic he mentioned.

That would be me, yep wound up tight, though it's slackening off a bit now that I have a somewhat clear idea of a proper course of action.

Lyn, TCMtech doesn't spread stress around, all he does is goad the bull. The bull is the one that's stressed. You ever seen a bull ridden into the ground before? Just before they die of exhaustion they start to think a little, that's what TCMtech does though he's quiet reasonable about the whole ordeal, if the bull wants to kill itself so be it..

In this particular forums case though the bulls got a ban hammer and neuralizer (device from movie "Men in Black" that erases a persons memory) complex that has gotten completely out of control.

Just to give you and idea, a couple years ago I was targeted by a moderator and his stooge in a Global warming and a few other moral topic threads where they were clearly in the wrong and spinning things, but he'd get on bender and start giving warnings and deleting threads that got out of hand to hide his actions. Mind you this same moderator has come out on several occasions with some serious anti-semitic rants (which disappeared the next day when he was sober)

The board owner finally realized how bad he was and removed his moderation power and he left the forum in a very public huff, but no details were mentioned, no one dares say what happen out loud, or even when attempting to address grievances. I was just trying to get my issues at being a systematic target of a moderator for deliberate abuse settled! Couldn't get word one out of them. All I want is "sorry you went through A-B-C we're changing our methods and personnel to make sure it won't happen again

After that things calmed down for a few months and we got back to good solid technical posting and you know just forum related things, they were upgrading bits of the board etc.. etc.. I thought all was well with the world again, and things had moved on.

In comes the current regime which in the last two months has erased at least a half dozen threads out of existence entirely, and <mod edit deleted> dozens of other posts. Just for trying to ask the moderators what was going, in THE FEEDBACK FORUM.

I was just recently banned for two weeks for saying "f**k" (looks over shoulder nervously) in a PRIVATE message to a moderator. Moderators here please forgive my usage of that word in this context if it's not appropriate I'd like to claim 'fair use' under copyright law in relation to the formentioned other forum and mention that it was used only in a neutral manner pertaining to a third party matter.

Yeah you gotta use THAT kind of disclaimer and self editing in the posts there to avoid bans about many topics, and the rules are so loose they can do anything they want, and DO. That private message ban was the last straw for me, that's not even in the rules.

After TCMTech's latest month long ban mine is ending in a week (unless they smell dissent in which case I expect extentions) I intend to make a large number of private message to as many of the core users there as I am able to before I state my opinion in public and my account is summarily perma-banned. I'll burn my bridges for these latest instances.

Which honestly would be incredible for me, because I've been a poster there for something like 10 years? I have my troll badges but I've mended my ways =) Overall for posting I'm in the top 5-10 for overall posts, and that includes a year and a half sabatical I took.

I'm active, I make mistakes and I admit them, and I expect moderation to do the same which they are incapable of.

I just want to burn the place to the ground right now and try to guide any remaining sane users as to where a good place to jump ship is.

The forum here is okay but I'm way over my head with new stuff right now, (got a 3 month old baby and a father that recently had a stroke) so I honestly don't need the drama, the interface here is a massive readjustement as well but not unplesant.

Pardon the rant, sorry it was so short I was trying to be brief (I am not kidding) 4 of the last 12 posts I sent to moderation where longer than the forum allowed posts to be and I had to split them up, and I was just warming up.

I'll settle down within the next couple months and possible post more on here, hopefully to the benefit of the community as a whole.

"Lyn, TCMtech doesn't spread stress around, all he does is goad the bull"

You call 'em the way you see 'em, I'll call 'em the way I see 'em.

Seroiusly, I'm amazed they have any menbers at all, with that kind of treatment.

I happen to like the way this forum is run and agree with their ban on religion, politics, profanity and medical questions.

I agree with David Kueck, who said, "Profanity is the common crutch of the conversational cripple". I'd use it with great economy, or not at all.

Welcome aboard!

Well don't go starting a war with each other. I know the both of you well enough to know you two would get along just fine. (Some days maybe a little too fine when it comes to a good meltdown rant if given a chance at the right subjects.)

Sceadwain is right that ETO is for the most part has been an all around good forum but unfortunately like we all have seen how a moderator who lets his position go to his head can ruin things faster than a hundred trolls can. [insert BBT comment here.]

I see it as being almost identical to when manager gets to believing that they are untouchable and never wrong. One manager/moderator off his leash can ruin a good company/forum nearly over night just by running off a few key people.

No wars here.

I once worked for a manager who went strictly "by the book". Regular shift for our department was 8:00AM-4:30PM. I worked in a captive injection molding facility.

Because it took the molders a half hour to warm up and be ready for use, the foreman took it upon himself to come in at 7:30AM, turn everything on and have it all ready to go when the crew came in. He'd leave "early" every day also.

Finally the big boss saw him leave one day at 4:00PM. When asked, the foreman told him why he left early every day.

Big boss said, You have to stay on the job until your shift is over at 4:30PM, no exceptions.

That cost the department 30 minutes of production out of 4-8 machines every day thereafter, because the foreman didn't come in till his "regular" time after that.

Big boss didn't care about that, because now, all his people were following "the rules" and that's all he cared about.

It's sad, people can't think. There's laws/rules which are things that should not be broken, and then there are principles - ideas that allow for a certain amount of flexibility that allow for special cases, like for warming up the molders. Thinking is the critical step between being a slave to rules and being adaptable, thus usually more productive. Lots of people just can't think anymore, that's a huge source of stress for me.

The guy was trying to make it easier for his workers, he could have easily said everyone has to be there when he's there. But instead he gets reprimanded and everybody, including the company, suffers. That's very frustrating.

Rules AREN'T meant to be broken. If they are being broken, then appropriate persons need to look at what's happening & hand out the the appropriate discipline.... which includes kicking the manager in the appropriate place & telling them to change the rule if needed!! Rules follow principles; if my guys come & say it's too hot right now to work in the afternoon, we sit down & figure what times work better for everyone. Better health, better productivity & everyone's happier.

Lyn, I give you two thumbs up for a good bad example (of a molder that probably went broke after 2009...)

Poor child.

For now, I'll forgive your ignorance.

The way things are going the last few weeks who knows. Tcmtech and I are both prominent users there. TCM is well known for both his personality and his Grid Tie Inverter posts, as well as comments and additions to basic commercial automation such as boiler's and has been a great help to me, both in his humanity and sanity.

Sad to see him being targeted as well.

My history there is deeper but I'm a theory monger that is able to throw around a lot of technical information concerning application suitability etc.. etc.. Basically I ask too many question and provide too much additional information so I'm considered a dissenting influence to a regimented learning structure.

Something like that.

I'm a moderator and contributor here on CR4 and I'm not hypersensitive. Nor do I think my team members are. We are not on any power trip nor are we "ban" happy. Our team has been trying to improve the quality and feel of CR4. Our moderator team has to follow Rules of Conduct just like all users do. Unfortunately as you pointed out we have to avoid discussion having to do with religion or politics.

I've been a member of CR4 for 4 years now and I really like it on here. I haven't been able to find such an intelligent and witty group of international contributors on the web as we have on CR4. Because we have such a unique community we have to be more vigilant about moderating certain subjects (as you pointed out) which I think is completely understandable. As moderators we did not make the CR4 Rules, but we must enforce them…which again I think is understandable.

I can assure you that our moderation team is just trying to provide a wonderful experience for everyone, from power users to 1st timers. CR4 is a wonderful forum and resource for people all over the world. We appreciate you for helping us make it a great place and hope you'll help keep it a great place moving forward.

I think you all do a fine job.

Not that I've looked much, but the few times I did venture into other forums, I was struck by the lack of civility and downright rudeness in some cases.

And I think we have some brilliant minds here, too.

Without this forum, I would never have had the pleasure of communicating with some fine people from other countries also.

And thus another moderation black hole is formed in the collective forum Galaxy of the internet slowly but surely sucking in and destroying anything and everything good as it grows.

(Seriously this comment right here would have gotten me banned for at least 2 days for 'discussing moderation' over at ETO.)

I only wish I could get the moderators there to say the same thing! That would make my day and I'd never trouble them again!

Unfortunatly there are no rules of conduct for moderation there. Only one moderator has ever been removed from power and every thread associated with it and the reasons for it were erased from record and even bringing it up in private messages can get you banned.

Even TCMtech's joking posts have gotten him warnings and recently bans, they're ruthless and they could care less because there's only a handful of users (the ones with the strong personalities) that they have run in's with, the rest of the people there either suck up or just chose to ignore it.

If they could just admit that there were problems in the past and maybe some of the current actions are out of place we could just move on, but their egos are out of control.

Gold star for Bax!? You deserve it, bro!

Moderation of that site aside, what do you guys think about the layout of that electro-tech-online forum? Compared to CR4? I've always liked the direct Forum Section > Forum > Thread or Section > Forum > Sub-Forum > Thread structure. I see a lot of benefits in the way CR4 is structured as well.

For content, I often do my best to not allow my stress levels to reach a point where I need to "do something" to relieve it. I try to keep a regular routine of work balanced with recreation. I find that if I work work work and have a really stressful week, the weekend I try to overcompensate and end up even more tired and stressed. So for me it's important to every day read something, watch some of my favorite shows, etc. I need to fit the relaxation in with the stress day to day, rather than build up to a point, release.

Repairing electronics has a strangely soothing effect for me. I haven't gotten to do as much lately, though.

When I became a member here after having been on ETO for a while the overall layout and design here comes off as incredibly clunky and antiquated. The spell check system here is one of my biggest peeves and has been since day one that I stepped in here.

I would be happy if it could just let my chrome spell check or IE spell check work automatically on the corrections part. You know hover and right click over the word it underlines without having to go through multiple permmision steps ever single time.

As far as the moderators go here well I give you a 5 star rating as well! I have yet to ever have a single one of you ever edit or delete, let alone contact, me over something I said.

Aww, keep on telling us that we're doing a great job

find a challenging hobby. or marry a puppy

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in/re to my comment, i meant it to read "or get a puppy". just a fruedian slip. i apologize to the moderator and members.. that even sounds sick to me.

It's ok, let's just let sleeping dogs lie.

My challenging hobby was studying electronic circuit design, general theory, and general engineering methodology, that forum did a decent job of it. I quiet smoking thanks to that forum, it gave me something to do with my hands and mind besides smoke!

I've offered help that virtually mirrors what was said about knowing appropriate usage of the rules on a half dozen occasions and never been able to get a response.

It saddens me, because I've been a user there for 6 years.

Vigorously shake the neighbour's cat in front of small children? [kidding!] :-9

Can I stick with petting the wifes three cats backwards then giving them loads of cafinated drinks just before she gets home?

It makes me feel better before going to work and getting them to stop attacking everything that moves and climbing anything that their claws can get a hold of keeps her busy later!

Humour works wonders for letting off steam - a fact you clearly appreciate more than many I'll wager.

I was once fired for telling our VP of Engineering that he had a bad attitude toward his employees, that he treated them with contempt. "I do not! You're fired!"

It was one of the most memorable birthday presents I'd received in years! Turns out Irony is an oft-ignored force of Nature which at times appears to rival that of Physical Law itself. I saw that VP a month later, walking down the street in my town - and on his birthday - looking all dejected, like a little muppet which had somehow found itself in the dog's water-bowl (I had since started my own company, a successful software-development firm, and was quite happy). This was around 1:30 or so in the arvo when I spotted him.

"Neil? Is that you? It's after lunch! What are you doing here?"

"I was fired."

"REALLY? The scoundrels!"

Heh, I wish humour worked! About anything concerning moderation they consider everythting lethally serious. Tcmtech was band at least twice just for obvious jokes.

Well, he's back and more badass than ever so, maybe there's hope, ay?

I am not back at ETO if its me you are referring to. I got tossed out until the 20th of September on my last visit. Didn't even get a joke or a poke at the moderator in either. Kind of got left feeling a bit set up this time.

Oh well it just gives me more time to hang around here and poke at people anyway! Seen anyone who is over sensitive about OCD meds jokes*?

*(Takes own pills, not for OCD though, and runs a way laughing!)

So what constitutes a joke about moderators that would get a guy banned for a month around here?

Would it start off with a 'A Jew, A moderator, and Hitler walk into a bar' by chance would it?

It would appear that a few people from electrotechonline are following this thread being my two alias sign in names over there have been permanently banned now.

So with that I guess I can rant all I want here and no one over there can do squat about it!

(My apologies to the great guys here at CR4. This is mostly for the people over at ETO to read so keep that in mind. Just letting off some stress you know.)

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For those who have been wondering where I went I have been banned almost continuously for three months now for a few posts relating to site issues and feedback relating to eric gibbs highly biased and hypersensitive OCD moderating work which has gotten me over two solid months of banning with little to no solid reason or justification.

It started out with a 24 hour ban that got lengthened to 48 hours without explanation then extended to a week then to two weeks then a month then two months with not one word about what I said or what actual established rule it violated. All I ever get is a "Do Not Discuss the Moderators' tossed at me as an explanation for any and all banning or extensions.

In fact I was told by the site admin Electromaster to post my issues in the site Issues and feedback section which I did. From there it promptly got deleted and I got banned. For those who are wondering I have also sent numerous messages to Electormaster himself and never once got a reply about anything. Which BTW a few others have also apparently had the same thing happen to them now as well.

So how does that work that the site owner tells people to post their issues in the section dedicated to site issues and resolving them only to have their threads completely disappear minutes later followed by banning for discussing the moderators or similar such nonsense?

BTW there are now 5 or 6 others I know of now that have been permanently banned in the last 5 - 6 months, and ant least that many more who have been threatened with bannings if they mention anything about the moderators, that never got the official "Banned" label under their Avatars and names. All of them are well known high end contributors that have solid good reputations. They however questioned eric gibbs OCD level thread scrubbing and overall shoddy moderating work and were ran off for it which I am now apparently in that same possess of being run out as well. TO me this makes it rather clear that a high level of crowd control effort is being placed over there to keep the remaining residents from talking too much and finding out what exactly goes on behind the scenes if you ever question the unwritten and ever changing rules too much.

I have been banned for nearly three months now and I have yet to see the "Banned" or even "Banned (Temporary)" label placed under my avatar for more than two weeks of it and anything and I do mean anything I post gets deleted. Pretty much the exact same process the other former members told me about as they were being cast out for not complying with eric gibbs OCD and tunnel vision views of what to be on topic or not. Seems pretty suspicious to me. Sorry I did not believe your warnings guys.

For the ETO members who read this I would be happy to come back and participate actively again but I will not be doing so until eric gibbs is striped of his moderators position.

Feel free to forward this to anyone over there you wish! I personally hope this gets back to the old coot himself and gives him a stroke so I can refer to him as brownout junior.

The trick is to rally everyone there to come here

I will do my best! To be honest once you see what all the banning fuss is about most of it's going to come off as incredibly childish and lame.

Mostly I am just a big enough jerk that I want to get some of my own childish satisfaction by airing their dirty laundry where they cant hide it just so that everyone over the who wants to see it can have full access to see what stupid and petty nonsense goes on behind the scenes over there.

(Think of it as leaving a dirty greasy oil stained boot print on their white carpet that they cant scrub out.)

Well I posted this over there in the site issues and feed back section. Lets see if I get tossed for it or if it flies.

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Site issues and feedback diplomatic immunity section.

"Could we have a section where members can post their issues and/or solution ideas about the site where the moderator team does not have the authority or capability to delete the threads or modify peoples posts?

What I mean is up until now any thread or post that any moderator does not like or simply feels a reason to spite a member over can get taken down or deleted before everyone whom it also affects can see it.
Especially when or if its not seen as all rosy happy praise ans goodness under the overly generalized rules of said post or thread being deemed spam or abusive due to apparent poor reading comprehension skills. (IE reading between the lines to find negative connotations or things that were never there or implied.)

Basically what I am asking about is creation of an open public review section where everyone can have a open and fair say without moderator reprimand or post adjustment.

Just asking before I get tossed again for being Off Topic/ Abusive to moderators/Undefined/Asking too many questions/Pointing out the obvious/etc... :p:rolleyes:

I don't think they'll create forum where you can post anything without the moderator at least glossing over it, but hey, worth a shot?

I would never expect them to! However that said over zealous interpretation of rules by moderators seems to have very limited ramifications for them from the members whom they are supposed to be helping.

To get down to the dirt of things this the exact post I made a few moths ago that got me banned for the extended period over there.

It was deemed moderator abuse for what little reference to it I have ever gotten.

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Good to see there are some threads relating to moderator issues now!

"Moderators in effect have fewer rights then the general membership. Some members expect mods to be perfect. They are looking for a mod to break a rule in order to justify their own bad behavior."

Actually I agree that the mods here do an excellent job of keeping the cursing and spam cleaned up but as far as bending rules goes........ Seriously?

There are a bunch of members here who continually get deleted threads and posts, warnings, and bannings for made up or highly bent rules or infractions that are solely based on a moderator taking things out of context or possibly just being spiteful.

Most of us would not mind it so much but when attempting to deal with the issues we get told that we are the only one with such an issue even though a few short PM's and emails brings out the fact that numerous others are getting told they are the only one with the exact same issue as well so come on now. Don't lie to us we are not so stupid as to be unable to compare notes.

Here's the thing. Us trouble makers would not be such a problem if we didn't have so many reasons to feel that we where being singled out or outright lied to about what we did and what rule we broke.

Electromaster made the rules as they are stated below here and that's the rules we try to follow which means that when a moderator, regardless of whom it was, gets on someones case about what rule they broke please please please at least give us the courtesy of quoting exactly what we said that was wrong and to which rule it fits under IN HONESTY AND IN ITS EXACT AND PROPER CONTEXT. That's what everyone of us trouble makers is wanting. Well defined examples of what we did and what exact written rule it fits under.

That's it. That's all we want. HONEST TRUTHFUL CLARITY IN PROPER CONTEXT.

Here are the rules as I see them directly copied from the forum rules section. If there are more rules than this they are not showing up for me.

"The Forum Rules (Read Carefully)

Firstly, thank you for being a part of Electro Tech! This forum has been around for over 10 years and has always been free to anyone and everyone. However, due to its popularity there needs to be some form of order, else things get rampant pretty quickly. We have constructed the following list of rules which are as fair, and as unrestictive as possible. They are all created in the best interest of the members as a whole and the forum itself.

Please read the rules thoroughly and understand them. If you have questions by all means send me a private message or post your issues in the feedback forum.

Forum Rules

- Insulting other members
We take a very strong approach to abuse or insults toward other members. It doesn't matter what they say or do, do not call other members names or make insulting comments. This includes calling someone stupid, ignorant, dumb, or any derivative that can be deemed offensive. If you break this rule depending on the severity we may give you a 1 day ban, up to a permanent ban.
- Swearing, Bad Language and/or Offensive Posts
This forum is visited by all age groups, so for that reason we do not allow the use of swear words or bad language. As well as this please do not post adult related jokes, stories or imagery within public areas.
- No Foreign Languages
English is the only language acceptable on this forum. If English is not your first language or if you aren't the best at spelling, it is a good idea to run the post through a spell checker before you submit it.
- Vague First Posts
A good question will get good answers. When creating a new thread you must provide as much relevant information to your question as possible. This is not a banning offence but your post maybe edited/removed if we believe there is not enough valuable content to allow other members to answer it. Before submitting your post, please proof read it to ensure that what you have said is what you meant to say.
- Advertising or Spamming
Electro Tech does not allow spamming in any forum, if we find spam it will be removed and a warning or ban will be issued on your account. We also do not allow any form of advertising (or deliberate types of promotion to benefit a third party site) unless it is in the "Buy, Sell and Trade" forum and prior arrangements have been made. Please also note that while we do publish all links to external sites without using "nofollow" tags, this is considered to be a privilege to members and not a right, in severe violations or abuse, this privilege maybe revoked.
- Signatures
Signatures can be setup from within your User CP and is shown at the bottom of every post you make. The text must be no more than 4 lines tall and be in a font size of 2 or smaller. You can use upto a maximum of 3 colors. This is a privilege to members with more than 25 posts.
NOTE: The above rules cover the obvious violations, however if we believe that any member is causing trouble or creating a negative impact on the forum we have the right to issue warning or bans.

Reporting Offenses

If you see anyone abusing the rules then please click the Report Post button (please read Reporting a Post for a guide). A moderator will review the post/user and then take appropriate action. Most commonly the post will be removed and the user will be warned or banned.

Do not reply to these posts! This just makes our job as moderators harder. When we remove the offending post, the thread becomes confusing by the references made to the removed post and therefore we have to clean them up too.

Report it, ignore it. Easy!



Receiving Warning / Bans

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Last edited by ElectroMaster; 12th August 2012 at 12:41 AM."

The latest update I see is this.

"Updated the following sections:

- Disagreements With Moderators

Adding new sections:

- Comments About Moderators and Moderation"

Which to me means that until these sections are active the topics in them are obviously sore spots with more than just a few members having issues with them.

So once again please please please at least give us the courtesy of quoting exactly what we said that was wrong and to which rule it fits under IN HONESTY AND IN ITS EXACT AND PROPER CONTEXT. That's what everyone of us trouble makers is wanting. Well defined examples of what we did and what exact written rule it fits under.

That's it. That's all we want. HONEST TRUTHFUL CLARITY IN PROPER CONTEXT.

(and a place for public reviews of issues wouldn't hurt either. It keeps everyone honest that way even if they don't like it but mostly it keeps the behind closed doors stuff under control.)

That's my rant.

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Now what still gets me is how this post went from being a post in another thread in the Site Issues and Feedback section to becoming its own thread then being deleted and me banned fore being abusive. It clearly relates to a site issue and it was certainly meant to be taken as feedback which is exactly what the part of the forum is for. Sure it was not positive feedback but then again there is no rule or implied suggestions that the Site Issues and Feedback section is only for positive comments.

As far as moderator abuse and complaints go I have a whole other post from a private PM that I never got a response for either.

I'm sorry to hear about what you've been going through on another forum. It's great that you were able to bring some people here to continue your discussions together.

But - at this point, is CR4 the best venue to get that forum to understand your problem? Is there an owner or sponsor of that forum that you could contact via email to try to resolve your issues?

He's definitely letting off stress, doesn't that apply?!

As long as the moderators here do not have a problem with me posting stuff and I do not break any of our established rules I am hoping I can use this thread to make my point over there even as petty and childish as it may seam.

It rather surprises me how many people have the exact same problems over there and will appreciate my bringing this petty politics out into the open where the goon in question cant touch it.

At the last count in the last year there are around a dozen members, all high post all around good and helpful people, who have either been ran off banned or have just walked out over the bad moderator and nit picking BS that has become rampant over there. One by one people get singles out and picked to pieces until they react and can be banned or they outright leave. Scaidwain was the last one I am aware of and I have been in their sites for a while now along with a few others who will probably be next once they have me out of the way.

At least I am going down with a fight and I don't mind fighting dirty either.

Feel free to pull up a chair and watch this train wreck unfold.

Well that's been the problem and yes this is one way I let off steam so to speak. The thing is every thread I or anyone else starts relating to addressing the issue of bad moderator dealings or vague rules/nonexistent made up rules gets locked down before anyone can put in their comments about the problem.

On top of that if anyone mentions anything about moderators or moderation or anything that can be taken out of context to possibly refer to bad moderation tactics they get banned and their post get deleted.

The bigger issue there is that there is a dedicated site issue and feed back section which I have referred to numerous times where this sort of stuff is supposed to be handled but yet when any thread pops up it either get deleted or the person who posted it gets a bunch of BS and the thread gets locked down immediately.

Take a look for yourself. http://www.electro-tech-online.com/site-issues-feedback/131000-site-issues-feedback-diplomatic-immunity-section.html

I asked then I got chewed from the site owner himself then given a bunch of nonsense relating to my banning which does not add up and anyone can see it in the screen shot of my personal status page, then the thread got locked down before I or anyone else could get a rebutle in.

Yes really it is a bunch of nonsense but for the most part I am just a enough of a pain in their back side to not have second thought about making their dirty little behind the scenes dealings they try so hard to hide from the members public.

So far I have not put any effort into making this thread public over there but I have plans to once I have more stuff posted. Perhaps I can be the first member over there to ever get banned for saying things in another forum where no moderator of theirs can touch it.

Well it seems that for now they are off my butt about the nit picky stuff.

I got this a few days ago. "You obviously have no respect for any of the moderators Electro Tech or the site itself." from the site owner himself so for a solid rebuttal I gave this rather lengthy reply.

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Actually I have great respect for Nigel, and the new guy and you. I also never have had any issues with 3V0 and very little with Bryan1 when they were moderators except when he was drunk and tossing his moderator privileges around which you know full well about. 3V0 was great about communicating and staying impartial to whomever they were dealing with and so is Nigel.

The thing is when they including yourself saw me or anyone else do something questionable they never hid behind " The Moderator Team" when dealing with a person and from what I can remember they almost always gave a person the courtesy of showing them what they did and to what exact rule it related to and putting their name on the action. eric on the other hand had become well known for hiding behind the "moderator team" cover and dishing out infractions and bannings with little to no reference to anything rules wise or other and since that cover has been getting used by everyone as assumed the mental image is that all weak infractions and warnings are coming from him now even if they are not.

That said eric on the other hand has went from being respected by most everyone to having a lot more people than just me having issue with is moderating methods and loose/weak/anal interpretations of the rules and by many is seen as being the same and in ways worse than Bryan1 was when he was liquored up.

As far as being a respected and contributing member here I hope he stays and helps out to the end of his days however as a moderator yes I and many others have much disdain for him and want him removed from the supposed Moderator Team.

The only difference between me and the rest of the people with similar issues against him is I am not afraid to speak up about it which by the way every single time a thread relating to discussing his actions gets made it gets deleted or locked down by him or you which to be honest many see here as being a cheap narrow minded fix to an ongoing problem that makes you and the whole moderator team look bad and I think you know full well by now I don't have any problem with helping people make themselves look bad at any expense.

As far as Eric Gibbs the ETO member goes he is well liked and appreciated for this knowledge and willingness to teach. However as far as eric gibbs the moderator goes too many have found him to be just another drunk Bryan1 tossing his weight around in a pursuit of what I and many other have come to see as a irrationally and unrealistically clean site.

Cleaning up spam and profanity no one has any problems with and appreciates nit picking any and everything that could be remotely taken as off topic or a poke or comment at or about moderators that's a whole different view that's not appreciated by most everyone who has had to deal with seeing their posts and threads deleted or edited to pieces over it. Especially when some members can do it all day long and never get a second look while certain others such as me get torn to bits in the very next post for doing or saying far less.

Relating to these other people who have issues from what I have learned through PM's (rarely done through the PM system here due to suspicions of moderator spying looking for reasons to ban or find alias user names) to me at other forums I frequent and emails to me since he became a moderator everyone of them claims to have sent you one or more PM's complaining about his actions and very few ever got any responses about them. That's why they don't speak up any more everyone of us has gotten the strong impression that you do not care to hear it and that it will not ever get a honest and open review in public.

So if you think I am the only one with this issue then go back and review every single PM you have gotten since eric became a moderator and take it that for everyone who has sent you a complaint there are several more who feel the same but are afraid or simply wish to stay anonymous about their dislike or have just walked out and never came back.

I hope this clarifies things better. I respect you this site and the other two present moderators for your work you and what this site has contributed to the web as a whole just not eric in his moderators position. That's it.

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So far no rely to it and no nit picking to most anyone I have seen on the site as a whole. Maybe open and honest communication does really solve petty issues some times?

Told you the whole mess is silly.