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Designing New 10kV to 30kV Analog and Digital Signal Isolators

08/30/2012 5:33 AM

Dear Friends,

I normally find 1500V analog signal isolators from various manufacturers and those developed for 10kV to 30kV are very expensive.

First question easily comes to one's mind is why one requires such a high voltage isolator at first place.

For this answer is rather simple. Static electricity and arc discharges run into such high voltages and often damage sensitive input stages. While we use protection devices to dump the current, we do prefer isolation to just be safe without affecting the environment.

Some of us now experimenting with Railway power sources also Thar run to about 20kV. I am here in this area so something safer is to be build to work in all safe environment.

I will post some of our developmental results with pictures of the devices and their electronic functional waveforms as responses. I think it is an interesting are for those of you who have experienced device failure due to not having sufficient isolation.

We have magnetic links and optical links for isolation but will avoid mechanical links for time being. We will also keep our signals in wide range from DC to 100kHz and leave higher frequencies to be used by modulators for transmission.

We already know IR transmission to TV and wireless data links that have good isolation. Let us talk here something that goes inside the instrument.

Want to be a part of this discussion? List out yourself here with ideas.

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Re: Designing New 10kV to 30kV Analog and Digital Signal Isolators

09/03/2012 3:24 PM

Yes, apart from electrostatic voltages, isolation becomes an issue when measuring from the higher voltages found in traction and other MV power supplies. It is also applicable to the power supplies for some sensors or control circuits, depending on the application. I appreciate that you are also covering a wide range of frequencies - in the traction world that allows us to look at all the parameters in the power supply as well as locomotive side, from 3kV/5kA DC to 25kV AC single phase and all in between. I'm not a designer, just a user, but am looking forward to any discussion here.

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Re: Designing New 10kV to 30kV Analog and Digital Signal Isolators

09/03/2012 3:44 PM

Hi gideon:

In first step to start with I am testing insulation quality of various insulated conductor wires used in isolation transformer, and general wiring in HV Circuits.

I have tested a set of PTFE insulated wires and coaxial cables. I found RG213 Solid PE insulated coaxial cable excellent, however PTFE cables failed after 10kV and were giving hissing sound from Corona discharges through micro holes they may have.

I am measuring Corona current up to 15kV right now but will extend this measurement up to 30kV very soon. I am limiting the maximum allowed current of 10uA to trip the HV Supply and normally look for 1uA level to record the usable limit.

Perhaps I can charge a HV Capacitor and measure total charge to see the actual charge leakage. I will also like to know if there are short duration very high current peaks that may be of serious concern.

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Re: Designing New 10kV to 30kV Analog and Digital Signal Isolators

09/03/2012 4:09 PM

The main design criteria is do you have some control power on the HV side or not?

With a suitable power source, you can float any type of electronic sensor that will send you the results on an IR or RF or optical fiber link in analog or digital format.

If you don't have such a power source available, things become much more complex and you are in for a difficult task.

You may want to consider using a solar cell to provide an isolated power source even if you have to shine a light to it using a bundle of optical fiber.

Good luck. I am looking forward to see some results.

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Re: Designing New 10kV to 30kV Analog and Digital Signal Isolators

09/03/2012 8:54 PM

The initial design has 30kV isolation in its DC power and no battery to be used. This design often suffers Corona charge leakage and that is to be minimized to as low as possible.

We can measure Corona charge in pico Coulombs or femto Coulombs.

30kV Isolation requires minimum 3 Inches creeping distance between Floating output and mains Ground/Earth and all other points at Earth potential. Right now one direction it is 4" or 100mm but in real mounting, all sides are to be maintained. One way to achieve is to seal all connectors and not to have any exposed points at floating end.

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