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How a Thermoelectric Device (TE) Resist the Radiation?

11/06/2012 2:21 AM

I check the note of GPHS-RTG or General Purpose Heat Source Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator. I want to know how to protect the TE from the radiation? what damage effect happens under the radiation.

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11/06/2012 3:10 AM

The cladding takes care of the radiation.

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11/06/2012 3:16 AM

If I put the TE in the heavy radiation, what material should be shosen to protect the TE? I find that the radiation resource used in the RTG is alpha, which can be easy stopped.

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11/06/2012 3:24 AM

A sheet of paper will stop α-radiation. Does that help?

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11/06/2012 3:31 AM

I know that. Now I want to know, if the radiation is not alpha-radiation, now what is the answer? I put the TE naked near the nuclear reactor materials

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11/06/2012 3:41 AM

Well, if it isn't α, what is it? What is the source isotope?

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11/06/2012 3:46 AM

if the radiation is thermal (eV) neutron, fast (MeV) neutron, fission fragment or the combination.

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11/06/2012 5:15 AM

'...if the radiation is thermal (eV) neutron, fast (MeV) neutron, fission fragment or the combination....'

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OK, so now that we know your goal isn't to receive a useful, valid answer, things will proceed much more quickly if you just clue us in on exactly what response are you trying to elicit.... the ball is squarely in your court.

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In the interim, while you detail the response you hope to receive...

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Here are some clues that indicate the question you are asking surpassed the tiresome limits of reality and utility:

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For incident radiation to be comprised of energetic fission fragments, it isn't enough just to be inside secondary shielding of an operating nuclear reactor...in fact, it isn't even sufficient to be located inside primary shielding.

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To be subject to radiation in the form of energetic fission fragments, would require location inside the fuel assembly....or possibly coating the device in question with U235 or Pu239 and then subjecting it to a neutron flux.... But fragments will have extremely short travel, being stopped almost immediately, with very little chance to do much damage.

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You understand Alphas are can be stopped with paper. The reason is due in small part to the relatively greater mass than radiation of beta, proton or neutrons, but is mostly due to the large positive charge carried by the alpha.

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Now consider fission fragments which are far more massive than alphas, and can have positive charges far in excess of an alpha particle. Alphas are stopped easily, but fission product particle are stopped even more easily.

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I'll skip the additional questions related to incident fast and thermal neutron fluxes, and get back to a bigger picture question....

'Why do you need to get power from a TEG when you are in such close proximity to an operating a nuclear reactor?'

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11/06/2012 7:30 AM

Tiresome indeed. GA

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11/06/2012 7:36 PM

Thanks for your good reply. I am a learner.

I need more information to understand the damage effect in the radiation.

Thanks. maybe, i need to pick up a book to read.

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11/07/2012 12:32 AM

That's the right attitude to have! Being a learner is definitely a good thing.

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How is your understanding of radiological fundamentals?

Would you say you are familiar with various microscopic arrangments in material that affect physical properties?4

Are you familiar with the various failure mechanisms? How about corrosion mechanism?

A good background in these subjects will make your intended path of study much more enjoyable and rewarding.

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11/12/2012 4:28 AM

Thanks a lot

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11/07/2012 8:02 AM

If the radiation isn't α, then why state that it is?

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11/12/2012 2:32 AM

As I understand it, methinks the OP is stating that the radiation source in RTGs is alpha (it is; in RTGs the heat source is typically a slug of plutonium), but not necessarily an alpha source in his application.

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11/06/2012 4:32 AM

Lead.

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11/06/2012 4:41 AM

Lead can only stop the gama or X-radiation. it is not effective to stop the neutron radiation.

Now, I have some questions:

1. what materials can be used in the complex heavy energy radiation?

2. what effect of electricity and thermoelectricity under the heavy energy radiation?

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11/06/2012 4:50 AM

Please Google: what materials can be used in the complex heavy energy radiation

Peruse the related links & then come back with your feedback.

Regret, I am unable to fathom, the import of your question #2.

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11/07/2012 4:56 AM

Where low to moderate amount of heat is generated then it must be handled by a well known Thermo Eletric Device.

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11/07/2012 9:33 AM

I think that either everyone here has been misreading this question or a translation into English has put the "cart before the horse". A thermoelectric device is a radiation source that converts the heat of nuclear decay into electricity. The TE device itself does not require radiation shielding from another source unless the OP is worried about external radiation accelerating the rate of decay. Others here have already addressed the more likely concern of radiation from the TE to other things, but technically this is not what the OP actually asked.

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11/12/2012 4:13 AM

''.... A thermoelectric device is a radiation source that converts the heat of nuclear decay into electricity.....''

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I think you might have intended to type something slightly different. While and RTG does contain a source of radiation, many thermoelectric devices are not RTG and do not have an attached radiation source.

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11/12/2012 2:56 AM

If your concern is mainly damage from neutron fluxes, your TEs can be shielded by materials having a high neutron 'cross-section', such as the element gadolinium. This element has the highest neutron absorption cross-section in the entire periodic table.

Google also neutron moderators and neutron poisons.

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11/12/2012 3:45 AM

''....This element has the highest neutron absorption cross-section in the entire periodic table....''

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All depends on the specific isotope and the energy of the neutron. For example, for thermal neutron, the absorption cross section of Xe-135 if roughly an order of magnitude higher than of any Gd isotope.

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