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Seam Defect

12/08/2012 1:25 PM

mfr process defect seams in plates visually seen and through MPI also, how to acc or reject the plate mat'l or on what basis to accept

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Re: seam defect

12/08/2012 1:29 PM

You can't be serious!!!!!!!!!

How can you expect anybody to answer such a ridiculous question?

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12/08/2012 2:01 PM

Don't know what MPI is,

But there where times where we ordered 72" x 144 3/8" 304 ss plates, we always required them to be stress relieved.

We put it on our water jets and as we where cutting them and as we cut, there was so much stress in the plates it would bulking up 8-12 inches snapping the head.

Had a hell a hell of a time raving the sheet. After showing the outside sales, they didn't know what happened, but replaced the material.

Also at a company where i had worked, a large order if sanitary tubing, the weld seams where poorly done, and as you finished the tubing, 1-1/2" to 4" tubing, where they got a 'good deal'. Where they would not return it, so, this company passed the defects along to its unsuspecting customers.

One of which was myself about 4 years later.

But to your accept and reject them, you can refuse the load. I have done that just on visual inspection of defects on plates

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12/09/2012 1:05 AM

MPI= Magnetic Particle Inspection. There are all kinds of applicable codes.

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Re: seam defect

12/09/2012 12:32 PM

Thanks

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Re: Seam Defect

12/09/2012 1:38 AM

If you have acceptance criteria for defects given by your design guy use that or refer suitable standard. Maybe simpler to consult someone who does such calculations and can interpret a suitable guideline.

At the root of the problem it maybe process issue where your supplier or fabrication guy has missed some step or done a hurried job. On a long term basis investigate the "short-cuts" taken.

Hope this helps.

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12/09/2012 7:06 AM

Why testing material when the seams are defect? Are those repairable? All steel works should come with a certificate. Accept or reject based one what you wanted and what was delivered.

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12/09/2012 9:28 AM

First search my blog for the word seams: http://pmpaspeakingofprecision.com/tag/seams/ Next, to what standard was the material ordered- astm,asme, din, iso, etc.? Get acopy of that standard and find the section on rejection criteria. Then evaluate those in your material to that standard. Using magnetic particle inspection on material of commercial quality when a requirement to pass MPI was not in the initial purchase order is not appropriate, and overinspection. It is critical to make all requirements know at time of purchase. This is called contract review and is equally the responsibility of both buyer and seller. Finally depending on end use and specification weld repair of seams may be pernissable by agreement between buyer and seller. I apologize that You got some bum answers previously. The downfall of this site has been folks with no experience posing as experts or critics when they clearly have no knowledge or experience. Too bad really. Milo

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12/10/2012 8:15 AM

I do not know of or have worked with ANY specification that would allow an open seam.

I assume (we all know what that means) that this is extruded pipe?

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Re: Seam Defect

12/10/2012 9:01 AM

OK --- I'll bite:

how on earth did you assume that this is extruded pipe, based upon the OP,

"mfr process defect seams in plates visually seen and through MPI also, how to acc or reject the plate mat'l or on what basis to accept" ...?

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12/10/2012 11:51 AM

My mistake,call it a senior moment. The OP never stated what the seam is???? Is it rolled plate? Is it a mechanical induced seam? Is it a formed plate?

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