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Making Three Phase Transformer from Single Phase Ones

12/18/2012 10:26 AM

Hi, Could anyone help me with this problem. I need some hints to proceed in solving the problem?. I really appreciate any help thank you.

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Re: making three phase transformer from single phase ones

12/18/2012 10:34 AM

Have you considered divine intervention?

Why ask for help so soon, you still have 4 days till the school project is due.

Seriously, there are ton's of help sites on the internet, such as, Power transformer design examples and applications by RALE.

This is homework. We don't do homework here.

Ask your instructor, a classmate, a tutor, or some local person knowledgeable in the field for help.

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12/18/2012 10:38 AM

Why not just use three single phase transformers?

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12/18/2012 10:58 AM

Because it's a "EE 360 (Semester 121) Design Project at KING FAHD UNIVERSITY"

Due on the 22nd of December.

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Re: Making Three Phase Transformer from Single Phase Ones

12/18/2012 11:20 AM

I'd like to give a GA to your professor. The goal is to find the most efficient way to connect the transformers. The values that the students calculate with contains two digits from their student ID numbers. There could be up to 100 different solutions to this problem. In addition to minor differences in the calculations the schematic of the most efficient configuration could change one or more times in the class. I've never seen this before but I like it.

Most colleges have professors that range from strict against cheating to having a reputation for looking the other way. If some cheaters were getting on my nerves and the professor had a multiple choice test then I would get a little payback. I would not try to prevent a cheater from sitting diagonally behind me. I would do my test and write very small in pencil the correct answer near the answer line. I would then use large letters to put a wrong answer on the answer line. If someone were cheating from my paper then they would be well on their way toward a score of zero. I would continue doing this until about 8-10 minutes before the end of the test. At that point I would erase all my answers, quickly copy over the correct small answer and carefully cover answers to prevent them from being seen. I think I did this about 4 times and there were at least two times when I could tell from his reaction that I helped a fellow student get the score he deserved.

The OP was honest about being a student and asked for hints on how to proceed. I won't try to solve the problem but I will make this suggestion. Just connect the transformers on paper, do the calculations and see what happens. Then review what you have done and reflect on how you can change something to make it better.

I don't know for sure but I suspect getting the answer to this problem is only a small part of what the professor wants you to do. This looks like one of the problems where the real goal is to give you experience working through problems where there is no way for you to know ahead of time what the best procedure is. Some engineers have jobs where they do what they were trained to do. Other engineers make a living doing what they don't know how to do. This seems like the second type of problem.

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Re: Making Three Phase Transformer from Single Phase Ones

12/18/2012 11:11 PM

'...There could be up to 100 different solutions to this problem.....'

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100? ...or 200?

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Re: Making Three Phase Transformer from Single Phase Ones

12/18/2012 1:13 PM

Thank you all for your help, the the problem is when I ask my instructor for some help, he says it's you project and I can get nothing from him. your help is really appreciated.

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Re: Making Three Phase Transformer from Single Phase Ones

12/18/2012 2:24 PM

OK... then here is a hand...

Basically... a three phase transformer is built how?

Once you answer that... how would you do it with individual transformers?

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Re: Making Three Phase Transformer from Single Phase Ones

12/18/2012 2:59 PM

can't be done........you can use 3 phase to make a single phase work but not the other way around

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12/18/2012 3:03 PM

Hey Fred...

Sure ya can.. Re read his original question.

Stating anything more would give the OP the info I want him to figure out for himself.

What is your bike? I ride a 2001 HD Heritage Softail Springer.

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12/18/2012 3:08 PM

ya got me on that one I didn't read it right

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Re: Making Three Phase Transformer from Single Phase Ones

12/18/2012 11:23 PM

There are probably less than two dozen ways, even including wrong ones, of hooking up three single-phase transformers. (Star, delta, phase reversals if they even matter...)

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Re: Making Three Phase Transformer from Single Phase Ones

12/19/2012 1:13 AM

Has anyone looked at http://www.mediafire...........

A 2400/240 V TRANSFORMER SHOULD NEVER BE CONNECTED AS A 2640 V TO 240 V AUTOTRANSFORMER. There is too much risk that 2640 W will get on the 240 V.

There is only one way that I know that these transformers can be connected, and that is making some assumptions that are usually incorrect. If I'm wrong, please correct me.

Assume that the 2640 volt is line to ground at 0 phase angle.
Connect the 2400 V transformer as an autotransformer with the 240 volt grounded

Assume that the 120 volt is at 120 degrees.
Connect the primary of one 120 volt transformer across the 120 volt.

Assume that the other 120 volt is at 240 degrees.
Connect the primary of the other 120 volt transformer across the 120 volt.

Connect all 240 volt windings in delta observing phase.
You now have three phase 240 volt with one corner of the delta grounded.

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Re: Making Three Phase Transformer from Single Phase Ones

12/19/2012 8:05 AM

The problem is that he didn't mention that we have 3-phase supplies, with your assumption it should work. That is why I am wondering because we didn't study a thing like this before. Thank you all for your comments.

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12/19/2012 5:33 AM

Am I loosing my sight? I see only one way of doing it.

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Re: Making Three Phase Transformer from Single Phase Ones

12/19/2012 3:11 PM

powervirus, let us know what your professor says is the answer.

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Re: Making Three Phase Transformer from Single Phase Ones

12/23/2012 7:47 AM

Powervirus, in the Philippines it has been our practice for a decade to "bank" Three(3) single-phase transformers of identical characteristics say turns ratio, % impedance, minimum coreloss and copper loss in our distribution system at 13.2KV primary and 240V secondary. we connected these 3 single-phase transformers at Primary as WYE (neutral grounded) and at secondary as DELTA(corner grounded). We do this in our country for flexibility and inter-changeability to use same transformers to supply power to our consumers either in three phase or single-phase. And also to use only two transformers in case one of the 3 bugs downed re-connected as open-delta.Or an option to use only 2 transformer for the present, then buy an additional one unit as the load increases. In our power transmissions at 69KV and a above we have a factory connected three-phase transformers.F.Y.I.

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