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Another Outlet Mystery

01/15/2013 1:53 PM

My wife informed me that the outlet with the shredder plugged into it was not working. I checked and found that the shredder would not power up. I checked the breaker box, and none were tripped. I went and got an electric outlet tester that I bought recently. It has two yellow lights and one red light. Both yellow lights lit up and not the red, signifying that all is well. I then went and got the spare shredder and plugged it in. It did not work as well. I then got a 40 Watt light bulb on a cord and plugged it in. It lit up fine. I took one shredder to another room and tried it there. It worked. I took it back to the original outlet and it works there too now. So does the other shredder. We have had cold weather here, down to +10F or so. Any ideas as to what was going on?

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01/15/2013 2:09 PM

The device would not shred the Bulldog clip it was fed. Whilst jockeying around, the clip dislodged, the internal thermal breaker or polyswitch reset, and now all is well.

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01/15/2013 2:25 PM

And the other shredder which was not being used?

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01/15/2013 2:32 PM

Y e a h..... I'm still working on a wiseacre remark about that.

Dunno... I can't see (from your description) a common failure mode, other than sometimes a shredder does not operate from outlet #1. I presume that, at some time or another, shredder #1 was operating correctly in outlet #1.

Are you thinking it is an equipment irregularity, or trouble with wall outlet #1

Loose power cord connection..... on both shredders?

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01/15/2013 2:32 PM

Many shredders have a safety switch so that if the shredder unit itself is not sitting squarely and fully on the receptacle (wastebasket) under it, it will not run. The one under my desk is like that. If you slightly lift the shredder, misalign it, or hold it up in the air, it won't turn on even by the manual "on" or "reverse" switch. It's a safety feature so that you can't run it with the cutting blades exposed.

It's possible your shredder had something jammed under the edge so that the safety switch was open. That would have caused the first misoperation. The second could have happened just from the act of carrying the wife's shredder to the outlet - misadjusted position so that it won't switch on.

Just trying to present a possible cause - can't say for sure from here. Mess around with the shredders some to see if you can make it happen again.

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01/15/2013 3:24 PM

Interesting. She failed to empty it when full, so I had to do that, but never unplugged it until I moved it to the other room. The other one was in the cold garage, but I had it level on it's bucket. It's looking like the outlet was OK.

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01/15/2013 11:09 PM

Yes, this is very true. Very common problem with home type shredders is that they are not emptied when the shredded level is getting close to the bottom of the shredder mechanism. As the level gets higher it lifts the top and the mechanism up to a point that the safety switch is no longer closed. This will then shut the unit down until it is emptied or the shreddings compressed until the top is low enough to close the safety switch.

My wife knows how to shred but doesn't empty the until until it stops. She then shouts "It is broken" and I have to act like I am fixing it until in runs again. Fixing consists of emptying the shreddings out and putting the top on again. I wish many of my other repair projects were as simple as this one!

The kids seem to have inherited this same approach to many things. Neither one of them knows how to empty the waste basket in the kitchen or take the garbage can out to the curb on Tuesdays. Don't fret though, this is my job security around the house. Could be the only reason why they keep putting up with me!

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01/16/2013 9:54 AM

Only Reason

you know that people have stuff to do just like you got to handle the gabage

in other words - if you don't specially plan Whole Family Events - such a habbit wont ??? become a habbit

- good start could be general outdoors from boting bikeing hiking to museums opera

you soon gonna die aren't you (The only reason you're alive is simply - you havn't dead yet) poor kitty

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01/15/2013 2:33 PM

The contact points in the receptacle are worn out or displaced slightly, just change it...

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01/15/2013 3:17 PM

No, they fit tightly in this one. There is no switch on the outlet, but it has a GFI breaker. I added this after the house was built - had to connect it to the outside outlet on the other side of the wall.

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01/15/2013 3:45 PM

Then you have a loose or corroded connection, or a broken wire that is touching, or a defective breaker...

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01/16/2013 10:32 AM

GA ! At least two of us are paying attention. Also, a loose connection.

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01/15/2013 2:50 PM

Switched outlet? Someone realizing the mistake turn it back on with out telling.

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01/15/2013 3:17 PM

It's aliens... Wrap effected device in aluminum foil while simultaneously wrapping your own head with foil.

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01/15/2013 3:35 PM

I am glad you have a sense of humor.

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Darn, I would have loved to see what you had to say to me before ADMIN deleted your post.

You can PM me and we can continue this discussion in private.

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01/24/2013 9:53 AM

i've learned my english from action movies - that type of language is dominant there i suggest you re-adress your comlaints to Hollywood

becides noone but forum admins and spinsters - notice it as something unusual - becides we live next to russia - you'd die to hart attack if you'd taked their avaryday language seriously

i don't see your problem - no offence

it was a good willing joke (i think you overstressed)
the alien complaining about the aliens - is the hint of what kind of aliens we deal here with

what is it a scout camp here

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01/24/2013 10:55 AM

so you're the admin guy

i just was thinking that

this place - the CR4 forum

is like old school guys chatting with old school guys
& it's like their place - "to keep the old school spirit alive"

i mean this place is very inefficient

there should be some few information gurus hired

that point out the topic.covered.in.link to old.post or www....

or alike stuff

in the agriculture - handycraft sections - you have a healthier go

? no good engineers ? at these days around ? also in here

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01/24/2013 1:43 PM

"so you're the admin guy"

I'm one of them, but not the one that moderated this. You can identify us by our badges, or the user group. Now what seems to be going on in this thread?

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01/24/2013 11:11 AM

in an other words

you dont achieve a ?yes if you - edit the grammar

to get better service you should 24-7 monitor that the posts stay on topic and progress towards the solutions

hei - but then you actually had to work - not just justify your excistance by deleting another "extra vulgar" "security threat"

i suggest - you cant'o the work even if you'd dedicated to - what you can do is to allow moderation right to "trusted" "experienced" users - so they can do this for you - muhahaa

? are you sleeping or you're doing something

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01/24/2013 11:34 AM

you now that you "Americans" live on a lands of indians

you know that in CA - read there web comments - they have shaped a stereotype of "native" t.m. indians not you as criminals and drug-dealers e.c.

as i get you "super force of the planet earth" - this is all normal

as and your action movies

if it's outsider or "native" - then the problems arise

how about the indians don't have their state at their homeland in 2000+CE

is U.S.A civilized - from what you determine that

there was a G8 meeting in prev. year - you couldn't agree a thing about - environmental protection

what is important

we live in polluted planet - and keep up smileing - towards your willingness to care

i gess i got it all corect , yes

who got the power has the moderation rights ? right

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01/24/2013 12:24 PM

Why are you talking to yourself? Are you drunk? No, you are not the Admin guy! Where are you from? You are hiding behind anonymity. None of us was at the G8 meeting, so don't blame us. BTW, some on this forum are American Indians, so watch what you say.

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"who got the power has the moderation rights ? right"

I do! But I don't know what you're saying / getting at!

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01/24/2013 6:01 PM

Dear Moron, I did not delete your post, I just wanted to know what cr4p you were spewing before ADMIN deleted it. Obviously you can not communicate intelligibly so forget it.

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01/24/2013 1:13 PM

you kmow when i was a kid i did some spirit travel & the thing i like "Americans" - the us stuff - is exactly what you moderate here

when you're spirit you can see a lot of more - what folkus think & what they do

basicly they got some "stupid" command from their "big noses" - and they commented those commands exactly like i (learned from thee - not from action movies)

and they still lazyly responded to this - got slowly "organized" - and got the stuff done quite well

they are "old draggons" their spirits 5D age (which is determined by their experience) is ?? 35(less up2 65yo) (for japaneze this spirits age is up to 35 - a bit speculated)

anyway why i like u.s. and japs is they do tech. (don't support sis mwa-haa)

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01/24/2013 1:51 PM

you know it's a funny thing that the computers are actually sis imported to our world . . . i imported'em . . . coz the sis attempted to keep you in "information block" - without the science you couldn't realize the nature of many things

? now why you should . . . ok i gess i remember it

basicly the old model of spirits and humans society is the 1 master follow up

however it's like you 24-7-365.2425... ready to sacrifice for mission - well such could be considered and become trivia when practiced as a life style

the bad news here is while some things seem something they may be something else

if the spirit sets you (human) to do something it's really hard to override the prev. command and change the course while - the results of the prev GO* show up trends of non matching the intended goal

so we need human to be more shophisticated + autonomous - having the crasp of the GO locally

in trivia the planet would tick on it's own - with no intelligent life on it - there would be no need for tech.

however the resulting spirits - would "degrade" to young and inexperienced

so when there's a requirement to get some REALLY BIG stuff done

the sys would be so unpredictable to oper. you most lokely failed in every next step

so we have that drawback here that if autonomous sophistication is avail

the bugs - & t.m. human will - start to consider weather they'd do anything

or mess up their minds by unguided thinking - so they even can't keep themselves alive / healthy /going

and also totally useless for any BIG stuff

anyway it's why science/tech. (why i like jap/u.s.)

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01/24/2013 1:55 PM

...I don't want to step on anyone's toes here, but the thread is about shredder's. Please try to stay on topic as best as you can otherwise please coherently send a PM to whoever you're trying to converse with / start a new thread coherently.

Danke Sehr!

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01/26/2013 9:59 AM

It is better to not communicate, and be thought a complete idiot, than to communicate and prove beyond a doubt that you really are. (a complete idiot)!

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ADMIN woke up V-.-V

btw the many science innovations become from u.s. mil

it's like state in a state - so you (spirit) can push stuff without an interupt from society

the GPR (graound penetrating radar)'s a good axample - so i can't really overlook the "superpower" - the dev of unknown takes a lot of resources noone would voluntarily contribute

(so itsabit B'n on my own leg here)

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DUDE!!!, Put the crack pipe down!

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01/16/2013 12:12 AM

Some older houses have aluminum wires that expand and contract causing bad connections and sometimes sparks/fires. Hope you dont have them. The weather in the area is bitter cold right now, and I would bet even copper will expand/contract under these conditions. I have also noticed that when helicopters fly by at low altitude the house shakes and this has caused some continuity problems. One more thing, I have noticed that when installing outlets that no matter how tight you screw down the wires if you go back the next day you will find they are not as tight as you thought.

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01/16/2013 10:17 AM

is this a tricky question - you just described it

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01/16/2013 10:24 AM

If it is an old shredder that uses a DC motor, it is possible that you encountered an intermittent problem? Problem that can be caused by either a dirty /poor contact between the brush(es) and some commutator points(s), or some shorted armature winding(s) or maybe shorted commutator caused by powdered carbon deposit? Problem(s) that may randomly appear and happen only at certain brush/commutator combination where the motor will be in when it was stopped. The problem may also get self-corrected when the unit (motor), is subjected to some movements, jarring or mechanical vibrations causing it to be dislodged from this particular problematic position... once started, the motor will run again continuosly without any hesitations, until it hit that particular spot!

A typical problem encountered from an old electric hand drill too!

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01/16/2013 10:32 AM

My wife informed me that the outlet with the shredder plugged into it was not working. (your wife brainwashes you)

I checked and found that the shredder would not power up. (and you buy that )

I checked the breaker box, and none were tripped. (you become creative )

I went and got an electric outlet tester that I bought recently. (you show love to your stuffff )

It has two yellow lights and one red light. Both yellow lights lit up and not the red, signifying that all is well. (but you love your wife more - so you keep believing her )

I then went and got the spare shredder and plugged it in. It did not work as well. I then got a 40 Watt light bulb on a cord and plugged it in. It lit up fine. I took one shredder to another room and tried it there. It worked. I took it back to the original outlet and it works there too now. So does the other shredder. (love makes miracles ...)

We have had cold weather here, down to +10F or so. (... despite of the weather)

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What is wrong with you?

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01/24/2013 9:58 AM

it's the alternate explanation (thinking outside the box if you wish)

also a stress killer - to promote creative thinking - so you jerks could provide better answers

(the folkus in mortuary are more alive than some of you - well potentially)

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01/16/2013 10:40 AM

Also some shredders have a thermal safety cutout circuit to protect the unit from overheating. They will not allow the shredder to run until the temperature cools down and the circuit resets. If she had been using the shredder a lot just prior to the situation this could be the issue.

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Then why didn't the other one work?

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01/24/2013 10:11 AM

there are 2 different type of aproches to this

  1. there's something wrong with your wireing (electric installation) and you should get proffesional service to check that before the fire breaks out somewhere
  2. it's the paper (in spiritual sence it's the "sister") or co-thread to animals or plant world - lets get some back in time - and see what occured - while certain organism developed to autonomous mobile destroyers - certain other grasped the widder concept and chose to serve the destroyers - so they'd stay alive and wee able to develope and learn ??? perhaps the same stuff the plants realized long ago

    the shredder's threads are likely Fe+ AND you constantly force it(Fe+) to "attac it's sis"

    the anomalies usually don't occur t.m. everithing that happens hee can be explained

    but the spirit of ferrum can crasp the control over your spirit
    and make you to fool yourself

anyways the both above may apply simultaneously - i.e - you should still check you el. installations

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I think your aluminum hat is way too tight!

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