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Clamp-On Ultrasonic Flowmeter for Cement Lined Pipe

01/24/2013 2:20 AM

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Can anyone please advise whether Clamp-on-ultrasonic flowmeters (transient time) may work on Cement lined pipe or not? One of manufacturers of clamp-on-ultrasonic flowmeters asked me that these flowmeters don't work on cement lined pipes. Please confirm if this is true & what is the reason ?

Also, in case if medium contains solid & air bubbles, flowmeter not performs well? Is this right? what is the reason?

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Re: Clamp-on-ultrasonic flowmeter for cement lined pipe

01/24/2013 3:32 AM

The more "lumpy" the fluid is, the better an ultrasonic meter will work; those lumps could be solids or bubbles, it doesn't matter.

There is some experience here of using them on ultrapure water (<1ppb impurities) in PVDF pipes.

<ducks the question on cement-lined pipe>

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Re: Clamp-on-ultrasonic flowmeter for cement lined pipe

01/25/2013 8:23 AM

I'll say - the unbonded version with an ultrasonic detector is the basis for determining when an oil or gas well casing is not correctly cemented. The return signal on unbonded pipe is just the pipe ringing - you would get that same effect here. With the pipe bonded to cement you get what's behind the pipe in a well, and what's inside in this case. (I ran such an instrument for 11 years in the oil field.)

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01/24/2013 11:24 AM

The former Controlatron, now Siemens, clamp-on ultrasonic flow meters (FUS 1010 models) can work on lined pipe if the lining has not separated or unbonded from the metal pipe.

Siemens best fit is transit time ultrasonics that do NOT want suspended anything (particles or bubbles) in the fluid. The cleaner the fluid, the better for transmit time. Doppler ultrasonic technology requires suspended stuff, but transit time is just the opposite. Siemens does have doppler transducers, but with nowhere near the accuracy of their transit time siblings.

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01/24/2013 11:03 PM

Sorry PWslack, what you wrote is wrong as discussed above. A transit time flow meter sends a pulse through the pipe wall into the liquid at about 45 degrees in a downstream direction. At that point, on the opposite wall, there is another sensor that picks up the signal and sends out another one in the upstream direction. The difference in transit time upsteam and downstream gives you an indication of the liquid velocity.

If the cement lining is thick or cracked or coming away from the wall, the signal won't transmit through it very well. Similarly, air bubbles and particles attenuate or disperse the signal too much and degrade performance.

So yes, they are correct in what they told you. (Don't worry , if they could have sold you one of their instruments they would have.)

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