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Thermocouple Cables Specifications

02/08/2013 8:23 AM

Dear all, i had read about thermocouple and its various types. I need to understand how to take the millivolt output reading in field to control room by means of what cable. i has heard about thermocouple cables, but what type of cables can be used with what type of sensor. Please give information regarding the cables to be laid for thermocouple.

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Re: Thermocouple cables specifications

02/08/2013 8:46 AM

Research "Seebeck effect".

If you are going to remote connect thermocouple cables, and want any accuracy, you MUST maintain the thermocouple wire type and connector material to match the thermocouple type. By type I mean B,C,D,E,J,K,N,R,S,T. The temperature range is what determines this.

If you try to splice different materials, each junction will induce a voltage, at the location and relative to the temperature of that joint and material.

You also have to include cold junction compensation. This can be done by the electronics used to convert the microvolts to a temperature scale of choice.

You have some learning to to do. This stuff is not taught in engineering course work typically, and has some domain experience to learn the DOs and DON'Ts.

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Re: Thermocouple cables specifications

02/08/2013 9:00 AM

There are two conventional means of getting thermocouple temperature data:

1) Thermocouple direct

Components:
- thermocouple
- thermocouple extension wire to connect thermocouple to the analog input card. Extension wire type must match the thermocouple type.
- analog input card must be capable of providing cold junction compensation (it is if it takes thermocouple direct). Not all receiver/devices can handle thermocouple direct.

2) Temperature transmitter

Components:
- thermocouple with a short lead of thermocouple wire, connects to transmitter
- temperature transmitter which has an analog input that takes thermocouple mV, does cold junction compensation, converts to temperature units, exports data as a 4-20mA current signal
- power supply for the temperature transmitter, typically 24Vdc
- copper wire to connect transmitter to receiver
- receiver (PLC, DCS, RTU, controller, recorder, indicator) analog input that can handle a 4-20mA current signal.

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Re: Thermocouple Cables Specifications

02/08/2013 10:32 AM

I think Iris choice #2 is what you need for runs of any length. Then you just need TC wire to connect the TC to the transmitter.

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Re: Thermocouple Cables Specifications

02/08/2013 8:13 PM

Good place to start: Introduction to Thermocouples (Omega Engineering)

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Re: Thermocouple Cables Specifications

02/09/2013 6:08 AM

Good day, 1).The thermocouples output "millivolts" can't be transferred to long distance. The signal loosing is too high. Therefore you don't need search any cable. 2). For that reason we use converter which is converting (transmitter) millivolts to milliampere (most popular is 4-20 mA). 3) Milliampers can be transferred for a long distance. On final in Control Room you can install temperature showing instrument which is having input signal 4-20 mA. If you monitoring the temperature with Computer, then you will need Analog Iinput / Output PCB and software on your PC. Good Luck.

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Re: Thermocouple Cables Specifications

02/11/2013 1:18 AM

First of all you need to know the range of temperature of interest as some thermocouples work better than other thermocouples in a given range of temperature. Then you may also need to know the desired response time of the thermocouple sensor. You also need to know if environment is corrosive or not or requires any special consideration for the material type in contact. You also have to have an idea of the distance involved and if there is too much distance to take signal then consider compensating cables as thermocouple are costly. Sometime you also protect your thermocouple using thermo-wells.

I think it is better to take some advice from expert for the type of need you may have.

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