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Super Cold Computers

02/08/2013 11:21 AM

Back during the 1980's,(The Z80 era) I remember reading about super-cold computers,that were kept at the temp of liquid nitrogen.They were super fast(for the time period) and virtually eternal, as long as the cooling system was maintained.Their intended use at the time was in satellites or space exploratory vehicles, where the temperature was easy to maintain.

Haven't heard anything about the technology since.I am sure that modern computers have surpassed the power of these primitive machines, but I am wondering if super-cold computing still has a viable place today?

Does anyone else remember this,or know of any recent advances?

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02/08/2013 1:36 PM

There is some research ongoing utilizing super cold beryllium atoms for quantum computing,..other than that, just regular liquid cooling....

http://discovermagazine.com/2009/dec/11-quantum-computing-gets-real#.URVC96WYuSo

World's fastest computer title claimed by Cray Titan....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_(supercomputer)

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02/08/2013 1:47 PM

You are thinking of computers based on Josephson junctions, possibly?

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02/08/2013 10:02 PM

This was in the 1980's.No quantum computers on the horizon.Super conduction just a pipe dream.Z80,or Motorola 9XXX series were the hot chips of the day.These super-cold computers were extremely fast for the time, due to the reduced speed of electron travel on the super cold traces.All connections were mercury wetted, which became solid at the low temperatures involved .Of course, "super fast" back then is probably considered a snail's pace today.I really don't remember the performance specs,but I wonder if anyone could dig up an old archive from Popular Electronics(I think?) from back then and find out.Just for curiosity's sake.?

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02/08/2013 10:19 PM

No, not for quantum computers, but for extremely fast but otherwise conventional von Neumann machines. SciAm featured an article around that time. Early 80s.

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02/08/2013 10:34 PM

From 2008....

"Twenty years ago as the 80"s drew to a close, when you used the word "supercomputer" the company that came to mind wasn't IBM, it was Cray. For most of the decade, the Cray X-MP series dominated the computer field. Twenty years ago Cray introduced its newest and fastest computer. It was the successor to the X-MP line: the Cray Y-MP."

"The Cray Y-MP could host up to eight 32-bit processors that were capable of 333 MegaFlops each. Combined, the Cray Y-MP could sustain a speed of over 2 GFlops. The CPUs ran at a blazing 167Mhz, upward of over 200Mhz, and could process both 24-bit and 32-bit instructions. The operating system of choice was a Cray-developed version of Unix.

Introduced just the next year, the fastest processor for a desktop you could buy was a 486DX/2 66. This was a processor that had a system bus of 33Mhz and an internal clock rate of 66Mhz. It was a 32-bit processor as well and could also run Unix."

"Today, that poor Cray Y-MP that would have set you back over $20 million would barely be able to run Windows Vista. Even a low-end laptop today has more power than that machine. For example, check out the Mobile CPU charts on Tom's Hardware Guide. The AMD Turion TL-59 CPU on my HP Pavillion runs at about 11GFlops. The Core 2 Duo found in a MacBook Pro will pull around 16GFlops.

The gap between supercomputers and desktops has widened beyond the 30:1 ratio of twenty years ago. Where you can pull about 25GFlops in a QuadCore desktop and up to 88Gflops on a Xeon QuadCore server, the Roadrunner, as mentioned above, will pull 1 Petaflop or 1,000,000 GFlops."

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/classic-tech/the-80s-supercomputer-thats-sitting-in-your-lap/189

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02/09/2013 12:35 AM

I recall reading an article in, I think, SciAm, where at one point the author mentioned how the silicon-wafer 'daughter boards' attached to the silicon-wafer 'motherboard' by means of edge pins that fit into holes etched into the motherboard. In these holes were placed droplets of mercury which froze solid at the cryogenic temperatures required for Josephson operation. The ultracold temps were required for the Josephson effect to work, not for cooling. Early Cray computers were cooled by chilled water; later models by fluorocarbons, neither of which could be considered cryogenic in any respect. No, the article describes a cryogenic, non-quantum computer (in the quantum-computing sense, even though JJs are quantum devices (indeed, so are Esaki [tunnel] diodes, LEDs, lasers and quite a few other solid-state devices as well)).

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02/09/2013 1:35 AM

The article was in the May, 1980 issue of Scientific American: The Superconducting Computer. Not liquid nitrogen temps (high-temp superconductors hadn't been discovered at the time of the article), but liquid helium - around 4K.

Keywords: Josephson effect; logic devices; microelectronic technology; superconducting computer; superconducting junction devices; superconducting switches; switches; transistors

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02/09/2013 8:12 AM

i remember something (no geo location yet) about testing new architectures some mountain at SW (all seen from E) minor hill W the installation is on a SEE descent of that hill - some young guy leading the prj. -- say ... 37yo -- theres some dock like *walkway to building at N of* also some terrace to E (i gess) . . .

. . . i donno i't seems they try to keep a thread of uPs faster than all the rest to control the "reality layer" (not shure of the times and dimensions for this)

? it might be near Denver

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02/09/2013 8:16 AM

This was my "baby"

and it was actually the fastest for a bout a week before IBM beat us out. :-(

It was all air cooled, but it was a lot of air!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASCI_Q

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02/09/2013 4:21 PM

I'll take it!! For this.

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02/09/2013 4:28 PM

That machine actually hit 20TeraFlops with those 4096 CPUs, in tests. So slow compared to today's super computers! :-( We did do some work with super cooled units for certain classified applications.

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02/09/2013 4:38 PM

I didn't hear a thing.

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02/09/2013 4:48 PM

My Dream Machine.

Peak performance: 20 petaflops (2.0e16 floating-point operations per second)

Speed of light: 299,792,458 m/s (2.00792458e8 m/s)

667,128 flops in the time it takes a beam of light to travel one centimeter.

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02/09/2013 8:21 AM

what you know Google [ cryogenic computing colorado ]

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02/09/2013 9:58 AM

That's it sounds familiar although there are missing ruins of a house fundament (a structure the house stands on) - it might be just similar south opening valley

sso what is this - is the only fast find that matches the search tag - however it(i gess not on pic but similar) is a special group of 5-mostly training base from (wild guess) near B4 1979

it(uP - pre-release dev.) is really "silent" very hard to scan-hook anything (might be not that day)

sso this is the closest we can find

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02/09/2013 10:58 AM

The white SUV on the right side of this pic is my Mercury Mountaineer. This place is a vineyard on the west side of the mountains from Denver. They maintain an underground facility for wine storage. Deep underground far from the entrance is a sealed area used by CSU and MIT to study certain high energy particles. In the same area they are also researching super-computer technology! They currently are running two machines that pop out a mind boggling 60 petaflops! There are big problems in keeping the systems fed with data and storing output. Current storage systems and interfaces just don't work fast enough!

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02/12/2013 6:53 AM

i likely didn't finished my sentence in next

it's back at the 70-s when they considered whitch uP designs to provide to public - the idea was to keep the fastest - latching your reality - while - you only dream here having something going on fast - inside that latched program - this is lieky what many people complain that the day seems shorter for nowadays than it used to be back at the 70-s 80-s ◄ i can't deny it - i remember this

what i also knew is that - we only had local news and limited possibilites - in a form of product choice (prev USSR/CCCP republic) - now we have world news - all movies and media 100-s of sat channels - over 50% estonians have internet connection in their home + more in the office & public access points - the information noise background is a multiple of past - also - the access to world market is nuch no way limited - you have to make a lot of more everyday decisions nowaday = less time to push your tasks (many times after 2h googling - i open the printed encyclopedia - we have - 2 different timeline releases of (actually 4 including minis)) - you pick the K-word read the stuff & you're done in 20s:(2h=)7200s - you just made 99.7222% & more free time - since you didn't find it on the net - there's no anomalous time loss detected (at first glance)

butt (with 1 "t") if thay run some mind binders (from "insulated time('s) shell" **) - the stuff they describe in "new-age-anomalies' folklore" may occur - it's exactly these everyday choices and concerns - 're possible to guide by "higger time stations" ** - is such as your not so much concerned how's your dog but if you neighbour ? has a new car - you must do better - not that you saturate to most suitable choice of your needs and income - and dont have to push so hard ('d B more time for your dog)

◄ it's about who makes a choices for your future - if you're busy by previously describesd BS - you dont 've time to attend local decision making circuits - you don't even 've anything to say there - cos you always busy by more concerning options

i used to live in a capital city of Estonia - you know the 1-st thing of change detected was - they blocked all the "shortcut routes" - because it was now someones - not public - property + they removed most all kid's playgrounds (because it was free business land & there was increasing drug problem at the time - making these places antisanitary) + the people became more UNSOCIAL + coz everyone wanted to diggest "new possibilities" on their own - basicly they F-d MY HOME as i knew it - not there anymore

hwo tells you that the SHINY THINGS (crap by it's tech. specs.) is more COOL than just having good time and relations with a lot of people

i don't figure such out - it's the noticed major trend changes

at past days you might talk to anyone anything - today there are decreasing number of folkus who remember that freedom ('s possible "noone" uses (?because of the hidden welth hierarchy?)) - well as my local citizens

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02/12/2013 7:45 AM

actually what i was to say is ?THE GEO LOCATION? -- i'd some day google it up -- collect the areals "west side of the mountains from Denver" - nope it's not 30N 20S 20E -- i remember being in a facitlity SW from Denver (spirit travels) - there was an empty hall and smaller at the N end of it (some device there) - under the grou - well mountain (i removed GoogleEeart from My Computer - coz new v. were a lot slowwer than ß-s - now it takes some while to point the mound...)

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02/09/2013 10:20 AM

this is an N-G neering forum such it has little relevancy here

but as to close this topic from my side

1) spec. trainees 5 -- what teir program was was related to he & she spirits power fight -- thay got a spec. psych. training (such as how to programm (temporarily brainwash) common people - if the mission insisted e.g. you go to spec. div. in mil. you're not allowed to - you prg. your allowance ... blah blah blah)

2) pre uP-s -- . . . . . . . . . they mentioned some "Blue Light" & helicopters - well the helicopter's in higger sense a time disturber - so you could be dissconnected from spirit (enables 1 to B "bad" i.e. act indifferent from master spirit plan) . . . in addition to this 37yo guy there might've been a female commander who used this kind of transportation ((now here's the link with above 1) he - she -- we donno whitch is whitch however -- such as the proccessors / mind more to mom/she side ...)) - basicly the man bounded to nature/spirit has more common sense (also channeling/psychic capabilities) than "civilized" citizen - so that's about the "Time control" . . . . . . . . . why we need to block certain stuff from society is that there are pioneers who mastered exactly & more what the 1-s in 1) were trained to - as "kids" they played stis too far cozing some systemal bugs knowing of what would depress you to a greater degree than you ever can get on your own - sso it's for your own good . . . well as thought by then

?questions . . . there should be such as ?How's your own life ... family e.c.

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02/09/2013 10:46 AM

on the other hand ? what you know about supercomputers - can we (♥you♥ and ♥me♥) perhaps build the 1 (i would steakl it off and kick your S - enyoy the outcome - then get depressed that i have no friends) ( think it's a great plan ) ((muhahaa)) . . . you married?

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02/09/2013 1:43 PM

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02/09/2013 4:03 PM

Yikes!,,,there goes another one.....

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02/13/2013 8:03 PM

short course to SC-s history if i remember it and in the right order this time ... theres the old 8 then the old 10 ??? this g.d. whitch 1 was b4 ???

and the local UV cluster here's the link were talking about (the dude must remember some of)

this thingy actually excists in (4-built in/5-expanded/)6-?nowD -- it can be hooked up by your mind -- the old 10 ?10D and old 8 ... well we blew the 10D 1 ??? became the 8D one - also there were 2x such colliding -- the legend of (if there is such - in human knowledge) a blind god sitting on a ground and collecting the trshes around him - asking each piece ? are you me - i was it's vision and escaped coz i didn't like the dude - it was too Bossy

anyway the LTSC is "near" the initial size of the thingy - it's 4/5D built origin - no practical use in 3D+t how but it's related to some low-intelligent creatures in 4D - like a moss or shrub - their minds project up forming this spirit sphere (my then master told me how to do it - i'm not shure i can recon this) - anyway you log into their mindscape can travel up to the top of such - more likely 4D moss or algae like stuff (...donno) - it forms a transparent ultimate elasticy bending "bubble" ((?then it escaped to 5D ??? or some trick was done with)) . . . so it's initially the ♥moss♥ ♥buggie♥

it's (the SC game) extencis sets stricter rules to each side so the thing starts to seem "mechanical" - as infact everithing materia is alive and conscious - it doesnot show up in short time scales we have here (or it simply plays dead)

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02/13/2013 9:09 PM

It will be at least 300 years before you Earthlings can produce a Dyson Shell, if I remember correctly,then another 200 before a complete shell is erected.

This will eliminate the need for new energy sources for at least 500 years, by which time you will have harnessed quantum energy,and learned how to control what you call black holes and dark energy.

Question is:What has that got to do with the OP?

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02/11/2013 8:42 AM

Sumbody's Cheeze Dun Slid of their cracker... ;/)

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02/12/2013 8:42 AM

What cracker?

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