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Effects of Loss of Excitation in a Synchronous Generator

02/15/2013 6:04 AM

If a synchronous generator is running in parallel with other generators in a grid & due to some fault in exciter circuit, Excitation to rotor winding is lost, what will happen?

I understand Generators have a Loss of Excitation Fault detector protection, whose job is to trip the breaker in case of such a scenario, But let's say this protection itself was faulty or bypassed.

So now as I understand, generator won't be able to generate voltages & as it is in synchronism with the grid it will draw reactive power from the grid & when it does that we can say that generator is in reverse power mode & 'Reverse Power Protection/Alternator motoring protection' relay should become active & turbine should trip.? Is my understanding correct?

Also loss of excitation would result in turbine to go towards overspeeding?

Kindly do share your insights.

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Re: Effects of Loss of Excitation in a synchronous Generator

02/15/2013 10:49 AM

Close, but perhaps you are confusing reactive power with real power. Loss of excitation causes the generator to draw (absorb) lots of reactive power from the grid in an effort to maintain the magnetic field in the air gap. The Reverse Power Relay monitors the amount of real power that is flowing from the generator, it is there to ensure that a loss of fuel, steam, water, etc. does not cause the generator to run as a motor. Please remember that VARs come from the magnetic field, Watts come from the prime mover.

The exact reaction is very dynamic and depends upon many variables, including the state of the grid and the machine just prior to the loss of excitation. A lightly loaded machine will have a much less severe reaction than a fully loaded one. Similarly if the grid is at light load and there is plenty of capacity available elsewhere.

The real danger is to a fully loaded machine under high demand conditions. Here there is a very real probability of your machine slipping poles (losing synchronization) with the grid, not because it overspeeds (it shouldn't unless there are governor and/or control valve problems), but because as the field decays the magnetic field in the air gap will ultimately become too weak to couple the power from the prime mover to the grid (think of a viscous coupling as the fluid leaks out). If it does slip poles then the reverse power relay might act as the grid tries to pull the rotor back into synchronization, but if the field has weakened significantly then there won't be any 'poles" for the air gap flux to align with.

If your generator is a significant portion of the overall load then there may be a system transient stability problem. If it is lightly loaded then it might continue operating until the operator notices that his field current is too low, there's no power being produced, there's a lot of VARs/current flowing into the machine, the power factor meter is reading much too low, the fuel flow is lower than expected, etc, etc., or any combination of them. Some of this will depend upon the type of governor and the mode that it is in, so overspeeding, though unlikely, can't be ruled out.

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Re: Effects of Loss of Excitation in a synchronous Generator

02/18/2013 2:37 AM

Thanks for your reply..

What I meant by the over-speeding thing was that let's suppose that Excitation is lost, that means magnetic connection b/w rotor & stator is lost & the governor was set to maintain synchronous speed/freq. at a certain load, & now since rotor is free the speed will increase & it should trip on Overspeed?

As you mentioned Alternator motoring/reverse power will not occur on loss of excitation. Can there be any other cause (specifically electrical) of reverse power in a generator other than loss of Prime mover power?

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Re: Effects of Loss of Excitation in a Synchronous Generator

02/15/2013 11:05 PM

The three times I have been involved with "loss of excitation".

1. Exciter tech wasn't thinking and opened exciter control circuit, removing excitation from a synchronized and loaded 3MW horizontal direct drive hydro-turbine. Then he realized what he had done and he closed the control circuit (wrong thing to do, better to trip breaker), this caused the generator rotor and stator to mechaically rub. It was during an end-of year start-up rush and the generator stator and bearing pedastals had not been doweled yet. Thus throwing the turbine-generator out of alignment with the tremendous torque due to the generator not being in synchronism.

2. This was on my site, another direct drive hydro 2500kW, the site had flooded to the centerline of the turbine shaft because there was no check valve in the sump pit to keep tailwater out of the powerhouse during a flood. So the two generators are dried out and restart resumes, when one generator's exciter kicked in I heard a sizzling and then too much hydro noise, the unit loaded and all was normal, then I checked further to find the sizzling, the 4160 input power fuses for the static exciter had corona-arcing due to faulty fuse holders. The static exciter then quit and the generator sucked in all of the KVARS in southern Minnesota, I tripped the breaker as the protective relays had not been correctly calibrated yet. Got relay tech to site. The electric utility will also usually call and make threats. This was in 1983, well before infrared checks.

3. The worst happened on another site, we had been working on faulty breaker control circuit with substation HV breaker open, customers tech closed sub breaker while I was doing one last test, the stationary generator got line 4160v, it blew out some of the static exciter diodes on the gen and caused the gen to make sounds later I was told. The breaker control circuit problem was traced back to the electrical distribution panel where the breaker to bus screw was found about 3 turns loose, as well as other bus to bus screws were loose. This was in 1982, well before infrared checks.

I did hydro loss of load overspeed mechanical tests during start-up of about 15 plants and during loss of excitiation it would of course depend on the output of the generator at the time of load loss, at full load 2 to 2.5 times synchronous speed is achieved in less then 5 seconds, other types of turbines and diesels are controlled by there governor rate of close settings also.

I have also started a 70kW and two sites with 1 MW induction generators. The magnetizing current in these is the same as an electric motor, about 5 times FLA. Make sure there is a substation nearby with capacitor banks.

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02/16/2013 3:13 AM

Corona , good to learn . . .

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02/18/2013 4:25 AM

So in your experience Alternator motoring/reverse power never happened because of Loss of Excitation or some fault in Excitation circuit?

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02/16/2013 1:13 AM

When the excitation is lost and the generator remains connected to the grid and prime mover continues to supply power, the generator starts acting as "Induction generator". It no more remains a "synchronous generator". It draws excitation current from the grid and runs at some "slip". The control room will notice rise in speed of this particular set (other sets running at synchronous speed). The slip value depends on various parameters of the generator (various reactances etc.) and the amount of load delivered by this set. The stator current would exceed its rated value (assuming that it is supplying its rated load at that moment) as it would be the vectorial sum of load current and the excitation current drawn from the grid. As the generator is not running at synchronous speed, the rotor direct axis and quadrature axis would be cutting stator field axis. As the two axes reactances are different, the currents and the reactance drop would fluctuate at slip frequency. This in turn will make fluctuation in the terminal voltage of the generator. The final value of this fluctuation will depend on the grid strength and its parameters. What percentage of grip capacity is the generator under question will decide the amount of fluctuation in grid voltage.

Ultimately which parameter causes the tripping of the set will be decided by generator and the grid parameters. But if allowed to run as induction generator, then generator will be damaged due to excessive stator current. The power station accessories (various motors etc.) may trip due to fluctuation in grid voltage.

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07/10/2013 2:05 PM

sir, if the rotor excitation loss is due to open circuit in the rotor then will there be any rotation as induction generator? because the cause of generation of force and hence torque in the rotor is the rotor current which produces force & torque being placed in a magnetic field. the explanation you have given is the case of -ve slip.

kindly help to solve the doublt.

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Re: Effects of Loss of Excitation in a Synchronous Generator

02/17/2013 12:25 AM

Dear MAfzal,

The replies posted here by CR4 Members are very excellent.

During my college days our Professor taught - the LOSS OF EXCITATION will result in 2 things.

1. The Voltage developed will fall and beyond a limit the generator will trip.

2. If generator is NOT tripping, but NO VOLTAGE at the terminal will make the Generator to draw power from the Grid, and try to run at Synchronous Speed and run as SYNCHRONOUS MOTOR, and Power transmitted from Prime Mover to the Generator will be zero. The current drawn for running as Synchronous Motor will have a very Low Power Factor.

Now I request the authors of the reply RAMConsult, CoronaCameraMan, pcchatur who posted the replies - to comment on the above explanation.

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02/18/2013 2:51 AM

Dear Dhayanandhan,

I have following comments on ur points

1.The Voltage developed will fall and beyond a limit the generator will trip.

That is true for a stand alone generator, excitation is lost, voltages drop the generator trips. Don't think its that simple for the scenario of Gens. running in parallel connected to the grid.

2. On your second point I conclude that your saying that generator shall now go in Reverse Power mode as a motor. My view & RAM's view as I understand is that generator will draw only Reactive Power from the grid & alternator motoring doesn't occur on reactive power? Kindly further share your views on that

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05/03/2013 10:39 AM

Dear Mr MAfzal,

Sorry for the delay in replying.

When the power generation is lost on account of loss of excitation or prime mover trips, the Generator will draw a small power from the grid or other generator to keep the equipment running to suit the frequency in order to keep the machine IN-STEP and it will not PULL-OUT of step.

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05/06/2013 4:54 PM

Then what keeps the rotor instep with the grid? A loss of excitation trip means that there is no longer a magnetic field on the rotor to couple the mechanical energy from the prime mover/rotor shaft to the stator and on to the grid.

This is equivalent to climbing a hill in your manual transmission car and pushing on the clutch or putting your automatic transmission into neutral, or a loss of hydraulic fluid in your automatic transmission/torque converter, there will be no coupling of power from the engine to the transmission/drive wheels.

Your car will slow down, and if you have not removed your foot from the throttle, your engine will speed up. The resulting mismatch in speeds is equivalent to the pullout condition, and will cause great damage if you do not match the clutch plate speed to the engine speed before you re-engage.

If the loss of excitation occurs at or near zero load, then you may not notice it until you try to load the machine, but sooner or later your control operator will notice an unexpected increase in VARs flowing into your machine as the grid tries to provide the magnetic flux in the air gap that would normally be provided by the field winding.

In any case it is an abnormal operating condition that must be avoided to prevent major damage to the generator, that's what the Loss of Excitation, Out of Step, and Reverse Power relays and others are there for.

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