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EPDM Gaskets and Compression

03/08/2013 12:11 PM

Hello Everyone.

Im looking for a sanity check. I have a vacuum chamber system that has a viewport to look inside at the tests going on, and I am needing to replace the gaskets on the viewport. The previous gasket was teflon and was a pain to seal (not sure why they used it)

So I far it seems like I am able to find EPDM (75-80A shore hardness) that will suit my needs. I calculated the ASME Sec8 Div1 required flange loading, and as expected its very low. But I dont put too much faith in the m and Y values listed.

Anyone know of a good resource for minimum sealing stress, as well as a plotted stress strain curve for an EPDM that is this hard? The only ones I am finding are down in the 30-40A range.

I want to get about 10% compression on the gasket, and since its a floating flange, I want to design a compression stop so the technicians dont over torque the gasket.

Basically I just need some help to get the needed torque to get 10% compression on 1/8th inch thick EPDM

Thanks for all the help

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Re: EPDM gaskets and compression

03/08/2013 2:28 PM

The only thing that comes to mind is that you use washers that are 90% of the thickness of the gasket material. Punch the bolt holes in the material large enough to fit around the washers, their outside diameter doesn't have to be very large. Torque the bolts only till the flange contacts the washer.

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03/08/2013 2:50 PM

Im finding the torque to be very low (nowhere near yield of bolts), which is worrying me that during the vibration of operation that they will loosen.

I went and calculated the modulus of elasticity in compression from the shore A hardness then I calculated the force required to deflect it 10% hoping that the load would somewhat correspond to the ASME calculated load, but its much smaller

The ASME torque is ~5 lbft, and the gasket compression torque is 0.13 lbft.

The flange is a 16" 150# flange, so 0.13lbft on a 1"-8 bolt... nah

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03/08/2013 4:35 PM

Have you read #1? If you do as suggested there you can tighten to the correct torque for the bolts (to reduce risk of vibrating loose) without overstressing the rubber.

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03/08/2013 4:44 PM

Also consider locknuts.

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03/08/2013 8:44 PM

Just a thought, but, maybe an EPDM gasket will outgass and fog the viewport sooner.

Depending on your level of vacuum, that may matter.

When I was specifying new materials for satellites , Goddard Spaceflight Center would test them for us, and many polymers.

It's here ↓

Outgassing Data for Selecting Spacecraft Materials System

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03/11/2013 8:30 AM

I will look into the offgassing, our material scientist here recommended butyl and EPDM for my application.

we get down to 1-3 torr range, BUT usually the duration is not very long max 15-30 minutes per test and we test maybe 2-4 times a year

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03/11/2013 12:17 PM

Lyn,

Very nice link to outgassing data. I think I may find this very useful for future projects.

The original poster didn't say what type of vacuum chamber this is. I would be concerned about outgassing, but I would also be concerned about potential sulfur content. Many EPDMs are sulfur cured, and residual sulfur can cause surface corrosion. This is a concern for switches, electronics, etc. Again, this depends on what type of equipment you are dealing with.

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03/11/2013 12:26 PM

Thanks,

GSFC tested many materials for me when I worked on covert satellites.

Satellite optics, thermal control surfaces and mechanical contacts do not like polymer films.

E595 - ASTM International

Amazing that I still remember that ASTM spec. It didn't exist till years after we started testing for outgassing.

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03/12/2013 9:19 AM

[quote]Lyn,

Very nice link to outgassing data. I think I may find this very useful for future projects.

The original poster didn't say what type of vacuum chamber this is. I would be concerned about outgassing, but I would also be concerned about potential sulfur content. Many EPDMs are sulfur cured, and residual sulfur can cause surface corrosion. This is a concern for switches, electronics, etc. Again, this depends on what type of equipment you are dealing with. [/quote]

its an altitude chamber for hot firing rockets/thrusters, most of our essential electronics are in EP boxes. and these windows are on the edges of the chamber which has a radius of about 20 feet

the specific EPDM we spec'd out is sulfur cured to get the higher hardness we wanted to combat leakage and gasket relaxation

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05/10/2013 2:20 AM

Fluoro elastomer like Dupont Viton may be better than EPDM for vacuum seal.

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