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Natural Sciences explained, or measured only?

05/29/2007 7:37 AM

Given the classical, deterministic, 19th century science approach, of attempting to explain nature, explain reality and it's inner workings, as opposed to Quantum Mechanics approach of attempting to measure reality as-is, leaving anything beyond that to philosophy, what would your preferred method be, for future advance and insemination, endowing, proliferation of knowledge?

- Do you think natural phenomena should just be described as measured accurately, or explained, in a deep contextual manner?

- Do you think science should base itself on predicted, deterministic, frame of mind?

- Do you think reality is an open book in which reality writes itself as it goes, viable to change re-definition?

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06/05/2007 12:04 AM

So you noticed... Or at least you think you noticed.

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06/04/2007 9:22 PM

Is this something you cannot put in words and sentences right here, to begin with?

If it would take you some three to four hours, surely you were going to use words to better my understanding of it.

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06/05/2007 1:20 AM

I am working with a professional who is helping me put it down in a comprehendible manner. He is an ex-Disney media executive who has heard and understands my theory. He also believes in it and is editing the written part of my work without charge or fee. It is a slow and meticulous process because everything is a tangent by nature of the theory so it is too easy to get off on tangents before completing any single thoughts or discussions. It will be published when complete and organized. He also wants me to try to get the jest of the theory out in less than 15 minutes of verbal discussion. I can describe it in about a half an hour, but to show how it fits things like light, gravity, time, etc., it takes alot more. I tell you what, when it is ready for proof-reading by scientific minds, I will send you a copy for review.

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06/05/2007 1:30 AM

That would be interesting to read. Thank you!

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06/02/2007 4:33 AM

If anyone strapped a bomb on himself for eternity with sixty whatever virgins, I'd question their sanity, as well.

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06/02/2007 12:48 PM

so do you question the sanity of the masses, who believe in a greater being that they acknowledge they can never find? Do you believe in such a being?

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06/03/2007 12:39 AM

Yes. I question the sanity of the masses, because they base so much emotion on a "third-grade" understanding of a very complicated subject.

No. I do not believe in the being that has been presented to me by religion.

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06/04/2007 2:52 AM

Which is not to say that you don't believe in a "greater being".

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06/05/2007 12:09 AM

Hmmm. How can I put this...

In a Universe as large as ours I imagine that there are beings far greater than mankind, himself.

If you ask whether I believe in the God of the Old Testament, YAHVAE, then no. I don't. Nor do I believe that Jesus Christ was God in human flesh.

I am sorry if this either bothers or offends you.

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06/05/2007 1:07 AM

My apologies to you. I use the terminology "GOD" interchangeably with "Greater Being", "Allah", "Buddha", or any other term someone wants to use. I am not offended or bothered in the least. I don't believe in the bible, Koran or any other BS. I do absolutely believe in God, or whatever you want to call him. God possesses the capacity of all love and knowledge. I truly and absolutely believe in love and knowledge, which are the only absolute truths. I believe the day I die, those are the only things I will keep with me. Yes, the only two things I will need. I have spent my entire life searching out love and knowledge. Love + knowledge = understanding. Religion is really just that simple. Mankind just seems to complicate everything.

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06/05/2007 1:27 AM

If you were to ask me whether I thought there was an after life, I would have to defer to Confucius, who when asked by his students, "Master, what happens after you die?" replied, "I don't know. Ask me when I'm dead."

On the other hand, true universal love is a pretty tall order for any simple, little human, much less a vermin. There are very few Mother Teressa's in this world.

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06/02/2007 5:05 AM

"...true understanding must include absolutely everything..."

I tend to think that understanding, even partial understanding, is a human way to seed some order in the chaos of unrelated notions.

To introduce some context into an assortment of seemingly unrelated observations. To scoop a pattern, some common denominator, from the pit of loosely connected objects.

We are cerebrally wired to figure familiar forms in the clouds. To figure a pattern out of given chaotic background-noise.

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06/02/2007 8:56 AM

Perhaps not all of us. Some people seem to be hard-wired to believe chaos and probability are more exciting than finding order. Witness the folks whose retirement plan is the winning numbers in the lottery, or who after losing for years at the slots and tables are still surprised when they lose. And I haven't seen a chronic loser who finds the fun in the play any more.

As long as there are (particularly) politicians like Betty Loren-Maltese, who as the mayor of Cicero IL, lost millions of mob payoffs in Las Vegas and still thought she could win big.

When I could affored to play poker, I was a consistent winner because I knew when I should fold or bluff, but now that I have a family and mortgage, those dollars would be to precious to use my head. I know better than to play under those terms.

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06/02/2007 1:41 PM

I agree with you. I believe we are hard wired to seek knowledge and love. In fact, If we had all knowledge and knew all love, wouldn't we be as close to God as possible? Knowledge and love ARE everything, absolute! "love to learn and learn to love" , what else is there?

What I am saying is that science cannot discount religion or philosophy, religion cannot discount philosophy or science and philosophy cannot discount science or religion. All three "views" must be employed in order to achieve true understanding, full understanding, absolute understanding. otherwise it would be like trying to describe a speeding train from a one dimensional point of view.

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06/01/2007 11:04 AM

"here is my take: Everything in the entire universe is made from an infinite number of 1 thing. yes, just 1 thing. call it HB, call it whatever. this one thing is the basic building block for everything."

YESSS! This corresponds to my "original Facts" from my posting#15.

These "facts" are evidences of some aspect of the underlying 'HB' as revealed by interaction with other aspects (facts) of that same HB. As more and more are encountered, more and more knowledge is revealed.

milo" sorry for the late post I was kidnapped by my job responsibilities and held captive in Chicago at a seminar"

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06/01/2007 10:45 PM

For the very first time, I really don't feel all alone in the universe. thank you for that.

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06/02/2007 5:38 PM

A pleasure! to share.

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To dare is to live.

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