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Why 50 Hz and 60 Hz?

03/21/2013 2:23 PM

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Why are we using 50 Hz or 60Hz AC supply Why not 70 Hz or 100 Hz or other frequencies.

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Re: Why 50 Hz and 60 Hz

03/21/2013 2:32 PM

Asked and answered about 50 times a month.

Go to the "Search this Forum" box to the right and type in "50/60 Hz".

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Re: Why 50 Hz and 60 Hz

03/21/2013 7:50 PM

Condensed version (not that this will settle the matter).

All 50Hz systems are descended from AEG, all 60Hz systems are descended from Westinghouse.

Nicola Tesla, working for Westinghouse, originally used 25Hz for his AC motors because it was better for motors, but then soon after decided that 133.3Hz was better for transformers. Westinghouse couldn't abide by both, so he experimented and came up with 60Hz as a reasonable compromise, partly based on the economics of using 2 pole generators running from engines that had a practical limit of 7200RPM based on the engine technology available at the time.

AEG, a German company (originally founded by Edison, who HATED Westinghouse and Tesla), shortly thereafter decided that they had to get in on the ground floor of the AC program in Europe before Westinghouse got there. So they came up with their own AC generator (alternator). They tried 40Hz but there was a descernable flicker in incandescent lights, but they didn't want 60Hz because that would open the door for Westinghouse to compete with them for the European market, so they settled on 50Hz.

It's no more complex than that.

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Re: Why 50 Hz and 60 Hz

03/22/2013 2:21 AM

This is all about an ancient conflict between Wiccans (5-pointed star, 50 Hz.) and Jews (6-pointed star, 60 Hz.) Neither of these sects convinced the other, and the world has been riven ever since. It's just history.

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Re: Why 50 Hz and 60 Hz

03/22/2013 5:45 AM

Once that's clear, wonder why the Swiss railway network has used 162/3Hz...

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Re: Why 50 Hz and 60 Hz

03/22/2013 12:15 PM
  • "Once that's clear, wonder why the Swiss railway network has used 162/3Hz..."

Beyond the fact that the lower the frequency, the more efficient the motor, I have another theory.

If you create your own power and don't want to have to share it with anyone else, using an oddball frequency facilitates that. When the lights go out in a city and the electric railway is still running, politicians will try to pressure the rail company to help them. If the frequency is so outrageously different, it can't happen regardless of political pressure.

I saw something similar in an old silver mine in Idaho, way out in the middle of nowhere. There was a "company town" right at the mine and a regular city about 10 miles away. The mine was still using 25Hz back in the late 1980s when I visited. I asked them why, they said that they were there first around the turn of the century and used 25Hz because that was best for the motors and electric lighting was not an issue yet. Then the other city sprang up and used 25Hz, so they kept pestering the mine to help out whenever their generators failed. In the 1930s when the REA went around unifying power grids to 60Hz, the town changed, but the mine did not because they wanted to quit having to back up the city.

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