Previous in Forum: Wind Pressure Question   Next in Forum: Fasteners SS vs HT Carbon Steel
Close
Close
Close
10 comments
Rate Comments: Nested
Associate

Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 29

Hydrogenation

03/26/2013 7:35 AM

Dear All

i am working for one of project where i am using Hydrogen for the process requirement

in this i have to place a mass flow meter in the line to calculate the flow

i only have the pressure in the line which is close to 20 kg/cm2

is there any method to calculate flow in the line

kindly reply

Register to Reply
Pathfinder Tags: Hydrogenation
Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.
Guru
United Kingdom - Member - Indeterminate Engineering Fields - Control Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: In the bothy, 7 chains down the line from Dodman's Lane level crossing, in the nation formerly known as Great Britain. Kettle's on.
Posts: 32175
Good Answers: 839
#1

Re: Hydrogenation

03/26/2013 7:39 AM

Refer to the Process Flow Diagram for the plant, on which the Process Engineer will have indicated minimum, steady-state and maximum flowrates in the line. From there, look at the "for construction" Piping and Instrumentation Diagram for the line size and piping specification, which will include reference to the wetted materials and line construction technique. Review also the Potentially Explosive Atmosphere Zoning drawing too. From there the correct instrument can be selected, ordered, installed and the control system programmed to operate in the correct range.

__________________
"Did you get my e-mail?" - "The biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place" - George Bernard Shaw, 1856
Register to Reply
Anonymous Poster #1
#2

Re: Hydrogenation

03/26/2013 8:36 AM

You will need the temperature in the line as well since you are dealing with gas.

Register to Reply
Guru
United Kingdom - Member - Indeterminate Engineering Fields - Control Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: In the bothy, 7 chains down the line from Dodman's Lane level crossing, in the nation formerly known as Great Britain. Kettle's on.
Posts: 32175
Good Answers: 839
#3
In reply to #2

Re: Hydrogenation

03/26/2013 9:33 AM

Please explain.

__________________
"Did you get my e-mail?" - "The biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place" - George Bernard Shaw, 1856
Register to Reply
Guru
Engineering Fields - Mechanical Engineering - New Member India - Member - New Member

Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: City of destiny, INDIA
Posts: 775
Good Answers: 67
#5
In reply to #2

Re: Hydrogenation

03/26/2013 12:56 PM

I agree with the An.Poster-1. Temperature measurement also is necessary to get NTP flow (Nm3/hr) which is needed for knowing mass flow rate. Volume rate measurement with the help of either orifice or ventury will only give m3/hr, but with pressure and temperature compensation you can get Nm3/hr.

The instrument selected shall be intended for hydrogen service.

Register to Reply
Guru
United Kingdom - Member - Indeterminate Engineering Fields - Control Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: In the bothy, 7 chains down the line from Dodman's Lane level crossing, in the nation formerly known as Great Britain. Kettle's on.
Posts: 32175
Good Answers: 839
#6
In reply to #5

Re: Hydrogenation

03/26/2013 12:58 PM

The original poster wanted mass flow.

__________________
"Did you get my e-mail?" - "The biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place" - George Bernard Shaw, 1856
Register to Reply
Anonymous Poster #1
#8
In reply to #6

Re: Hydrogenation

03/26/2013 11:47 PM

He is going to measure the mass flow but he did not say how and also he did not say hich flow he needs calculated. Why would he calculate something he will measure???

For gas having a mass flow will probably be more accurate for the application, but we do not know the application. So I stand corrected and say: He might need the temperature. But his choice of measurement might do this internally. Option here.

In case he wants the volume flow he definitely needs the temperature.

Register to Reply
Guru
Engineering Fields - Mechanical Engineering - New Member India - Member - New Member

Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: City of destiny, INDIA
Posts: 775
Good Answers: 67
#9
In reply to #6

Re: Hydrogenation

03/27/2013 12:19 AM

PWSlack,

Yes I know that OP wanted to measure mass flow rate. My comment is exactly for that purpose only, which suggests one of the popular methods for mass flow measurement. Density of gas at NTP is constant. To measure NTP volume flow rate pressure and temperature compensation is required. To measure mass flow rate density compensation is also to be added.

An. Poster-1,

You was right earlier.

Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Stoke-on-Trent, UK
Posts: 4496
Good Answers: 137
#10
In reply to #9

Re: Hydrogenation

03/27/2013 7:27 AM

A thermal mass flowmeter does not need correction for pressure or temperature. Consists of a small heating element in the gas stream and calculates gas mass flow (or equivalently, normal or standard flow) from current needed to maintain element temperature (there are a couple of variations on the theme).

But as #8 says, it's an odd question. Why does he want to calculate it if he's measuring it? Perhaps he means the flowmeter output is not in mass flow units so he has to calculate.

__________________
Give masochists a fair crack of the whip
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 42355
Good Answers: 1693
#4

Re: Hydrogenation

03/26/2013 10:52 AM

Yes, but not with the meager information provided here.

Contact flow meter manufactures and ask them to educate you.

Register to Reply
Active Contributor

Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 10
#7

Re: Hydrogenation

03/26/2013 10:31 PM

You could but only if you know the pressure differential.The hydrogene goes somewhere, what's the pressure there? The static pressure is not enough to calculate flow.

Do you have the differential pressure?

Register to Reply
Register to Reply 10 comments
Copy to Clipboard

Users who posted comments:

Anonymous Poster (2); Codemaster (1); Josef Lahm (1); lyn (1); pritam (2); PWSlack (3)

Previous in Forum: Wind Pressure Question   Next in Forum: Fasteners SS vs HT Carbon Steel

Advertisement