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What Are These "Jigsaw Piece" Shaped Patches Plywood?

04/03/2013 3:07 PM

What are these "discontinuities" in some plywood I bought?

It's about 2 inches by 2 inches.

At first I thought it was some kind of patch where the laminate got damaged but then I noticed they were evenly spaced, about 1 every 18 inches along the middle of the board.

Fortunately I'm going to paint it, but, it occurred to me that I'd have been a bit upset if I was going to try to make a piece of polished wood furniture.

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Re: What are these "jigsaw piece" shaped patches plywood?

04/03/2013 3:12 PM

I always thought they were to fill in knot holes from branches and such.

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04/03/2013 3:28 PM

That would also be my guess. The uniformity doesn't mean much as the wood panels are manufactured in such a way that you are likely seeing a different part of the same knot.

There was a really good discovery channel documentary on the subject (Modern Marvels I think it was called).

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04/03/2013 4:19 PM

Correct. Plywood veneer is made by shaving thin slices off large 8 foot long logs as they turn in a lathe like machine. So many of the same knots will be in one piece of veneer.

They turn the logs down to a diameter that allows two 2x4's to be made from the remaining core. (2x4 being an out dated term, I realize)

The machine then trims good pieces to plywood size, or smaller, depending on the defects, that are sensed by optical sensors. Smaller pieces are used to make the internal cores by combining slices.

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04/04/2013 1:49 PM

2x4 being an out dated term

Oh really. First I heard of it. What is the new term, then?

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Re: What are these "jigsaw piece" shaped patches plywood?

04/03/2013 3:27 PM

Exactly that... patches where the veneer has an imperfection.

These veneer imperfections are caused by pitch pockets, holes from boring insects, branches, knots, bark... these are cut away with a die, and the patch is glued in.

Patches like that are not found in appearance grade wood.

Very common around here is the 'boat' or 'football' patch:

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Re: What Are These "Jigsaw Piece" Shaped Patches Plywood?

04/03/2013 3:39 PM

Plugs to replace inperfections

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Re: What Are These "Jigsaw Piece" Shaped Patches Plywood?

04/03/2013 4:47 PM

Wow, the image of Batman!

It's the Cape of Chiroptera.

I would put those on eBay right away.

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04/03/2013 5:02 PM

Plywood comes in different grades.....separate grades for each side....The letter grades typically come in pairs, where one letter refers to the "better" side, called the face, and the other letter to the back side, opposite the face. As such, a sheet of A-C plywood will be very well finished on the face with a relatively unfinished back. Conversely, construction grade plywood would be C-D (commonly referred to as CDX plywood), which is great for structural use but not suited to be finish material.

GradeDescription
AFace and back veneers practically free from all defects.
A/BFace veneers practically free from all defects. Reverse veneers with only a few small knots or discolorations.
A/BBFace as A but reverse side permitting jointed veneers, large knots, plugs, etc.
BBoth side veneers with only a few small knots or discolorations.
B/BBFace veneers with only a few small knots or discolorations. Reverse side permitting jointed veneers, large knots, plugs, etc.
BBBoth sides permitting jointed veneers, large knots, plugs, etc.
WGGuaranteed well glued only. All broken knots plugged.
XKnots, knotholes, cracks, and all other defects permitted.

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Plywood Bonding Types:In addition to the plywood grades, there are four common plywood bonding types. The difference is in the glues that are used to bind the plies, or layers of the plywood.

Interior Plywood: Plywoods for interior use only are made from various hardwood and softwood species, and can be used only in interior applications such as wall sheathing, furniture (where exposure to moisture is limited), cabinetry and the like. Interior plywood is available in most grades, as well as a number of hardwood species such as birch, oak and cherry.

Exterior Plywood:The most common type of plywood, readily available at home centers. The glues used in exterior plywoods are much more resistant to moisture than interior plywoods. Once again, nearly all grades are available, with A-C, B-C and CDX the most common. Numerous hardwood species are also available in exterior varieties.

Marine Plywood:When moisture resistance is a priority, look into marine plywood. This type uses the best adhesives and is manufactured to the highest standards. It also is most commonly graded as A-A, with two top grade faces, but is limited in the hardwood choices that are practical for use in marine settings.

Structural Plywood: When the appearance of the face is of lesser concern than the strength and stability of the material, structural plywood will typically be the choice. The resins used to adhere the plies are designed for extra strength to avoid separating of the layers. Structural plywood is seldom found in a grade higher than C-D. It is commonly used in concrete forms on construction sites.


http://woodworking.about.com/od/plywood/p/PlywoodGrades.htm


Additional types of plywood....

http://www.diynetwork.com/windows-walls-and-doors/all-about-the-different-types-of-plywood/index.html

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04/05/2013 4:58 PM

And... don't forget oriented strandboard.

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04/05/2013 5:05 PM

Strandboard...oh, I thought you said sandboard and was thinking it must be related to this sandstone.

I was lucky to visit at the right time to get to handle some and bend it when I was visiting Penn State University in Pennsylvania USA.

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04/03/2013 5:15 PM

They are signs that Batman works night at the plywood factory.

Or maybe, just maybe they are patches to fill where manky knots are. They are regularly spaced because the veneers are peeled off the log in a continuous sheet round and round the log. Nah, that's just too far fethed... I'd go with the Batman explanation
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04/04/2013 6:12 AM

Thanks to everyone who replied especially SolarEagle for such a complete answer.

My original search of google images for "plywood patches" did not bring up anything which satisfactorily explained what was going on.

Now, however, and, quite surprising to me: the same search brings up the picture I took and a link to this thread. So idiots like me will not need to trouble you all again.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1354&bih=872&q=plywood+patches&oq=plywood+patches&gs_l=img.12...4234.10515.0.13969.15.9.0.6.6.0.125.1045.0j9.9.0...0.0...1ac.1.8.img.Frj6zLKH6q4

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04/04/2013 8:18 AM

We are building the information highway.....carry on

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04/04/2013 7:50 AM

One other thought is they are center markers for nailing.

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04/04/2013 11:43 AM

Clearly they are ghosts......

"You know, there are more things in heaven and earth, and clearly plywood, than are dreamt of in your philosophy Horatio!"

Or maybe they are simply plywood patches. But why ghost shaped instead of the usual oval? Who knows?

No really...why would they use ghosts instead of ovals?

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04/04/2013 1:42 PM

Less likely to come apart?

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04/04/2013 2:46 PM

I can see from the OT's picture that the grain pattern surrounding each patch is the same, supporting the repetitive knot that appears as the veneer is peeled off the log. I also question why a "ghost" shape instead of the "football" shape? Maybe it's just a preference in the UK.

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04/07/2013 8:57 PM

They are in fact repair patches. That particular shape is what the mill making the sheet uses. They have a matching punch for the defect. The even spacing is from the production of the top layer. It is peeled off the log like unrolling a paper towel, as are all the plys. Being that close together means a very small core being peeled.

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