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04/15/2013 10:47 AM

what the aim of the brushes in AC generator ?

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Re: brushes

04/15/2013 10:48 AM

They should be aimed so as to come into contact with the commutator.

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Re: brushes

04/15/2013 11:29 AM

'...what the aim of the brushes in AC generator ?...'

To keep the AC generator hair neat and smooth:

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'Brushing' likely evolved from the ancient AC generator culture practice of hanging around hand grooming each other...tools like 'brushes' eventually took hold and wiped out that older way

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Re: Brushes

04/15/2013 12:44 PM

To make electrical contact on a moving surface....

Party on dude.....

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Re: Brushes

04/15/2013 2:20 PM

OK, all kidding aside now, there are two basic types of large generators of AC power; Synchronous and Induction. The difference is in how the generator rotors (rotating portion) produce magnetic fields so that the windings in the stator (stationary portion) can produce power (you can get permanent magnet generators for small amounts of power, but they are too expensive for much over 1kW). I will not go into AC theory, if you don't know that, you have to start off waaaaaay below our level here.

An induction generator produces electricity by virtue of the rotor being excited by the stator magnetic fields, through what might be described as "mutual induction"; the stator magnetic fields are created by existing AC power and their expansion and retraction cuts the conductor bars in the rotor to induce current flow, which then creates a magnetic field that interacts with the fields in the stator to make it spin. Once excited, the rotor can be driven FASTER than the rotating magnetic fields of the stator windings and the energy will flow the other direction. But you may have noticed that I said that the stator uses the EXISTING AC power to provide the excitation. That means that you cannot produce electricity with an induction generator unless you are ALREADY hooked up to an existing grid to supply that excitation energy.

So if you want to produce electricity from a generator that is all by itself and connected to nothing when it starts (called "island mode"), then there must be some means of putting electricity onto the rotor so that it becomes an electromagnet that can then interact with the stator to produce electricity. The brushes are how that energy is transferred from whatever your source of excitation power is, i.e. a battery or a small DC generator, to the rotating portion, the rotor. The "commutator" is the part on the rotor that the brushes connect to.

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Re: Brushes

04/15/2013 11:52 PM

Both points need clarification.

1. There is a class of induction generator known as a SEIG (Self Excited Induction Generator) that does not require grid power to establish its terminal voltage, instead it relies on capacitors at its terminals to cause the voltage to rise to the proper level.

2. Synchronous generators do not have a commutator (which is a feature of a DC generator), but do have a pair of slip rings for providing DC to the main field. The difference is crucial, commutators alternate polarity with each revolution while slip rings do not.

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Re: Brushes

04/16/2013 12:20 AM

As someone unschooled in these matters, it seems to me that point number 1 needs clarification. But further, is there not a design of alternator (brushless alternator) which has an un-wound rotor - a variable reluctance alternator - as I think of it - where the rotor is a dumb lump of iron and the boot-up relies on residual magnitism?

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04/16/2013 1:14 AM

'..... a commutator (which is a feature of a DC generator)....'

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....It is a feature found in many DC generators.....but not universally a feature of DC generators.

Brushes or slip rings or rolling conductors that maintain the same current path and direction are used on homopolar DC generators, but no commutators.

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