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Motor Starting Current

04/17/2013 12:59 AM

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Electrical Design Engineer selecting C/D curve MCB for motor (Inductive load) because in starting time it will draw more current Hope you are all familiar in this.My doubt is "Even we are selecting D curve MCB it can able to withstand upto 10In for 1 second only,If the motor drawing more starting current for more than 1 second means obviously circuit will get trip. Practically how the Engineers facing this problem in site?"

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Re: Motor starting current

04/17/2013 1:57 AM

How often do you find a motor that draws 10In for more than one second? What is the LRA/FLA code letter for this motor?

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Re: Motor starting current

04/17/2013 3:24 AM

That is why in practice, there needs to be co-ordination between the motor overload device, which is there to protect the motor, and the circuit protective device(s) which is/are there to protect the cable. Once again, British Standard 7671 gives full protocols for carrying this out and there is no need to look any further.

It's a strange motor that draws 10x its full load current on starting; most draw something in the region of 5.

If in doubt, consult a qualified Electrical Engineer locally.

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Re: Motor Starting Current

04/17/2013 10:41 AM

Most of the motors would draw only 6 to 8 times the rated full load current during starting. A 'D' Type with instantaneous response current 10 to 20 times would not respond to this.

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04/17/2013 11:16 AM

According to NEC Table 430.7(B) Locked-Rotor Indicating Code Letters

for all motor from code S to V starting current will be more than 10*Irated

According to IEC 60034-12 K=Slock/kw maximum could be 10-13 that means Istart= 8.5-11*Irated.

However, usually maximum Ilock=8*Irat- in case of DOL start at 100% rated voltage.

At start, the voltage drops- it is permissible up to 20% drop. In this case Istart=8*0.8=6.4*Irat

NEC Table 430.52 Maximum Rating or Setting of Motor Branch-Circuit Short-Circuit and Ground-Fault Protective Devices limits for the Inverse Time Breaker Iset=2.5*Irat.

A usually time-current trip curve breaker will trip in 10 sec for 3 times breaker current rated.

That means 3*2.5=7.5 Imotor rated.

Usually the starting time is less than 2 sec and may be-for high inertia load-up to 6 sec.

You need a special breaker with a delayed time-current curve for Istart= 10*Irat and 10 sec starting time.

In any case, one has to protect the motor against overload by an Overload Device.

See NEC 430.32 for Continuous-Duty Motors. [or elsewhere for shorter duty].

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04/17/2013 6:06 PM

The issue is, there is a difference between STARTING CURRENT(Locked Rotor) , and INRUSH CURRENT (Magnetization), even though many many people mistakenly interchange those terms freely.

Inrush Current is the current draw that happens during the first 1 or 2 CYCLES of AC power as the windings in the stator become electromagnets. In those first cycles, there is nothing but the wire resistance that is stopping the flow of current. So for that brief moment in time, a motor can pull 10X to 20X the rated FLC of the motor. THAT is the reason for the "D Curve" of the MCB, not for Starting Current.

Starting / Locked Rotor Current is the maximum sustained current that a motor will draw when the rotor is at a standstill, AFTER the Inrush current. That is 5X to 8X the motor nameplate FLC (usually accepted as 600%) and the duration is dependent upon the load acceleration rate. Starting current will remain that high until the load gets to about 80% speed. Sometimes that is a second or two, sometimes longer. The Motor Thermal Overload Class then is what is protecting the circuit for that condition. A Class 10 OL relay trip curve means that the OL will trip in 10 seconds (or less) at 600% FLC. It is no longer the circuit breaker that is protecting the circuit at that point.

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04/18/2013 12:38 AM

Sorry Jraef, but I cannot agree that the numbers showing in NEC codes table are referring to

inrush current. I have not so large field experience, indeed-since I was only a designer all my life.

As is already said, inrush current duration is up to 1 cycle. So, for a usually breaker is not important, at all, as minimum reaction time may be 60-80 msec [3-4 cycles].

In the following article:

Avoid Nuisance Tripping with Premium Efficiency Motors

http://www1.eere.energy.gov/manufacturing/tech_deployment/pdfs/avoid_nuisance_motorsys_ts6.pdf

it is noted:

"While NEMA Design B standards limit LRC, no standard limits the peak-inrush current.

Fortunately, peak-inrush current usually is not a problem because it lasts only a few milliseconds. However, it can be an issue when the motor controller uses instantaneous magnetic-only circuit protectors that react in less than a single AC cycle"

See also CR4 HHung o.p. from 9/17/2010

"Induction Motor, Inrush Current vs. Locked Rotor Current"

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04/18/2013 10:39 AM

7anoter4, Apples and oranges. You are correct with regards to the US NEC tables, but that is not the question that was asked. They were asking about IEC Mini Circuit Breaker trip curves, something that has no direct correlation to the NEC. There is no NEC table that addresses this issue, although it is mentioned in the exceptions to table 430.52 (going by memory here, I'm on my iPad).

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04/18/2013 11:59 PM

I agree, of course.Thanks.

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