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Void Detection in Molded Plastic Part

04/24/2013 10:55 AM

Hello,

Can please experts suggest me another technique for Detection of Presence of Void in Molded Plastic part. Detection area is too small and even width, so ultrasonic testing seems not working fine. Getting lot of noise.

Also we want to measure less than 40000th inch from surface.

Any Help will be appreciated.

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Re: Void Detection in Molded Plastic Part

04/24/2013 11:39 AM

Detecting voids could be done by checking the density of the molded part.

X-ray would also work. Sectioning would destroy the part, so you might not want to do that.

Fix the process. You can't inspect quality into a part. You need to tune your injection parameters so that you are not putting voids in the part.

Your units are not clear. "less than 40000th inch from surface." What are you measuring?

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Re: Void Detection in Molded Plastic Part

04/24/2013 11:52 AM

Hello Lyn,

Thanks for your reply. We are considering product failure if we found void at that distance from surface. Currently we are cutting part and perfoming manual inspection of Void. We want to get rid of this.

Yes we can improve process but still we need to perform quality check on product.Failure do that can cause damage when we do welding with other part.

So we must need to have non destrutive method to perform testing. Is any thing better than Ultrasonic??

How X-ray work in terms of uneven and very small width and performance on detection of damage at certain distance?

Appreciate your help.

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Re: Void Detection in Molded Plastic Part

04/24/2013 12:35 PM

Have you considered transmitting through a stream of water, free falling on your test piece. Flowing water makes an excellent waveguide.

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Re: Void Detection in Molded Plastic Part

04/25/2013 6:22 AM

YOU NEED TO EXPLAIN HOW YOU WILL TEST 40,000 th of inch. Looks like a mistake

No existing ultrasonic equipment could detect such void measured in 0.000635mm....

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Re: Void Detection in Molded Plastic Part

04/25/2013 8:54 AM

I think he meant 40 thousandts of an inch (0.040") .

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Re: Void Detection in Molded Plastic Part

04/25/2013 9:16 AM

Yes You are right. Thanks for more clarifications. But experts we already tried to approach 2-3 vendors and they are in process in their Labs. But my company wants to know what else can be use if Ultrasonic not worked. We desperately need something to get rid of those defects.

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Re: Void Detection in Molded Plastic Part

04/25/2013 9:49 AM

"We desperately need something to get rid of those defects."

Testing will not get rid of defects. It only identifies the parts that you can't sell.

Without knowing the physical properties, further processing requirements (welding) end use, etc. there's not much we can do.

What material are you using now? What type of tooling? What type of machine?

Have you tried simply weighing each part on an analytical balance?

You need a process engineer to fix this. All the QA in the world will not result in void-free parts.

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Re: Void Detection in Molded Plastic Part

04/25/2013 10:00 AM

Hello Lyn,

Thanks for your reply.

I am looking solution for Battery Cover. As i am new being this discussion helping me to learn.

It is Molded Plastic. We are going to weld it with bottom cover(which also require to be void free). Currently we are cutting it manual and perfoming Visual Inspection to identify Voids. As you seen from above, we just need to identify void at certain distance from Suraface. So we have process developed at previous stage, but we want to double check of Voids during Quality Check.

We can do balance check, but we wont care if void presence more than 0.040" from Surface. Because we are welded upto that point.

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Re: Void Detection in Molded Plastic Part

04/25/2013 10:22 AM

Voids generally occur when the material transitions from thin section to thicker section.

How many different thichnesses is this cover? The entire part should be the same thickness for proper molding. Differing cross sectional thicknesses will require more injection and hold pressure.

Can you post a picture of a part that has been sectioned to show us where the viods are and are they always in the same place, etc.

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Re: Void Detection in Molded Plastic Part

12/05/2018 1:54 PM

What is tolerable limit of voids?

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Re: Void Detection in Molded Plastic Part

04/25/2013 12:51 PM

Consider TRANSILLUMINATION: it is a cheap and easy technique we have used in medicine way before the discovery of X-rays! Depending on the thickness and type of material you are using, it simply may work!

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